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9 minutes ago, briantw said:

He created what is pretty widely regarded as the greatest television drama of all time.  How many more props does the dude need?

Second album syndrome, what else could he do that even comes close? 

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Just now, BigFatCoward said:

Second album syndrome, what else could he do that even comes close? 

Yeah, there's a definite downside to creating something so incredible so early in your career.  Inevitably, he just hasn't been able to top it since.

I think The Deuce has been his best show since The Wire, though, based on the first season.  

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IMDB has his 3 worst shows as Show Me A Hero, the Deuce and Treme at 8.1/8.1/8.2 respectively, that's some pretty good worst TV.

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22 minutes ago, briantw said:

He created what is pretty widely regarded as the greatest television drama of all time.  How many more props does the dude need?

Everyone knows the Wire... but few know him... I mention his name to people, and they have no idea who I'm talking about... he should be at least as well known as Vince Gilligan 

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1 hour ago, Martini Sigil said:

Everyone knows the Wire... but few know him... I mention his name to people, and they have no idea who I'm talking about... he should be at least as well known as Vince Gilligan 

Well, I think the difference there is that Gilligan is amicable and doesn't mind going on those Chris Hardwick style post-shows, whereas David Simon is a bit of a prick.

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Not many know who David Chase is either, and he’s the one who created the best drama of all time, imo. 

The Wire is a very close second though. 

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The teaser trailer apparently dropped a week ago, yet I only just saw it on Youtube (and came here right afterwards), which I guess goes to show how small the audience for this show is. Season two definitely looks like it's high times, very glitzy and vibrant. I suspect this will be used to contrast season three, which the showrunners have said in the past is going to be much darker. 

It looks like Lori will have a much bigger role this season, which I'm glad to see. I'm also hoping we learn more about Eileen, and why she became a prostitute in the first place. She wasn't an addict, she didn't have a pimp, and even though she hated her father, she trusted her parents enough to look after her son. Hopefully season two will shed more light on her story. 

I have yet to watch The Wire or The Sopranos, so as of now, Alan Ball is my favorite HBO showrunner. I haven't watched Here and Now, but I loved True Blood and all of its campiness, and Six Feet Under is a masterpiece. 

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On 8/12/2018 at 10:42 PM, The Bard of Banefort said:

The teaser trailer apparently dropped a week ago, yet I only just saw it on Youtube (and came here right afterwards), which I guess goes to show how small the audience for this show is.

Seriously. I had to find out about it from one of the HBO go trailers, and even then I initially thought it was a recap of season one before realizing it was a "coming soon" thing. 

 

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Loved the ending to the second episode. Is this season only six episodes? that's all that's listed on wikipedia. 

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2 hours ago, RumHam said:

Loved the ending to the second episode. Is this season only six episodes? that's all that's listed on wikipedia. 

IMDb says 8?

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That's a relief. With the new ownership changing things up at HBO I wasn't sure there'd be a season three. 

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10 hours ago, RumHam said:

That's a relief. With the new ownership changing things up at HBO I wasn't sure there'd be a season three. 

What's the new ownership? Just a new person in charge and wanting their own shows or a change in overall output?

I binged season one over the week and watched the season 2 premier. Really enjoying it although with the huge leap between seasons I can see why they might only want 3 seasons. Ideally I'd like to see a season dealing with the internet which I assume resulted in a massive change in how porn made money - those wank booths that are making so much money in the show are pretty redundant now. Thing is the cast would all need significantly ageing to be involved. Maybe they want to end when this batch of characters can't realistically feature.

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1 hour ago, red snow said:

What's the new ownership? Just a new person in charge and wanting their own shows or a change in overall output?

HBO have a new corporate overlord who have mandated that they want HBO to dramatically increase their output and focus on shows with broad, worldwide appeal. Less The Deuce and The Wire and more Game of Thrones and True Blood, basically.

 

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Second album syndrome, what else could he do that even comes close?

He did (sort of) create Homicide: Life on the Street, which was probably the greatest cop show of all time until The Wire came along. Show Me a Hero was also excellent (and probably the closest, tonally, to The Wire of everything else he's done), and The Corner (which preceded The Wire) was also very good.

I haven't been able to get into Generation Kill though. Watched the first episode a couple of times and never felt motivated to watch more. Need to give it another go.

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10 minutes ago, Werthead said:

HBO have a new corporate overlord who have mandated that they want HBO to dramatically increase their output and focus on shows with broad, worldwide appeal. Less The Deuce and The Wire and more Game of Thrones and True Blood, basically.

 

He did (sort of) create Homicide: Life on the Street, which was probably the greatest cop show of all time until The Wire came along. Show Me a Hero was also excellent (and probably the closest, tonally, to The Wire of everything else he's done), and The Corner (which preceded The Wire) was also very good.

I haven't been able to get into Generation Kill though. Watched the first episode a couple of times and never felt motivated to watch more. Need to give it another go.

That's not good news. I always feared the success of "true blood" would lead them astray as it's easily the show from HBO that I felt strayed from their sopranos/deadwood "prestige shows" and I guess GOT sealed that deal (although true bloods cost/success ratio probably less risky) when compared to the success of "leftovers". I wonder how "sharp objects" has fared for them beyond critical success? I guess it's hard to sell "sharp objects" merchandise too.

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10 minutes ago, Nictarion said:

@Werthead

I have not seen Homicide: Life on the Street, but you would put it ahead of The Shield as far as cop shows go? 

I saw the first few episodes of The Shield and thought it was terrible, so yes. I heard it got much, much better later on though.

The main problem with watching Homicide now (since Brooklyn Nine Nine) is taking Andre Braugher seriously as a tough, ruthless police detective.

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19 minutes ago, Werthead said:

I saw the first few episodes of The Shield and thought it was terrible, so yes. I heard it got much, much better later on though.

:o 

I’d put the pilot up there with just about any show ever as far as hooking me from the start. 

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