Hello World Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 9 hours ago, Let's Get Kraken said: Well the other Decapitant was growing four horns right before Kellhus's head burst into flames. Was it? I didn't even notice that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapushiSun Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 8 hours ago, Kalbear said: My suspicion is that Kellhus has an ability to transfer his soul between heads similar to Shae, and in the last minute he transfered his soul to the remaining head while the other swapped back - and died. That would be disappointing. 9 hours ago, Let's Get Kraken said: Well the other Decapitant was growing four horns right before Kellhus's head burst into flames. It wasn't growing horns. Those horns were always there. Malowebi just didn't look closely at the other head before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 By the way, did anyone get a better understanding of what Bakker meant when he said Serwe is the cipher to the whole series after reading TUC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 31 minutes ago, Hello World said: By the way, did anyone get a better understanding of what Bakker meant when he said Serwe is the cipher to the whole series after reading TUC? Lol no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Ooh maybe: She believed blindly and wrongly, and was sacrificed in the machinations of someone else to take over the world. Much like Kellhus in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Hello World said: By the way, did anyone get a better understanding of what Bakker meant when he said Serwe is the cipher to the whole series after reading TUC? Which Serwe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 19 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said: Which Serwe? The only one. Kellhus's daughters name is Serwa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 The PoN Serwe, Kellhus's first wife. By the way, does anyone know where that quote is from because I can't find it. I found a lot of references to it on both forums though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I think its in one of Pats interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callan S. Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Hello World said: By the way, did anyone get a better understanding of what Bakker meant when he said Serwe is the cipher to the whole series after reading TUC? Nup. But it's probably to do with how oblivious she is. Possibly the idols she prays to initially did answer her prayers somehow (a handsome prince did come for her), but she did not see herself as having set that into effect, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Michael Seswatha Jordan said: The only one. Kellhus's daughters name is Serwa. me no good with the names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Darth Richard II said: me no good with the names I mix em up all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.H. Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 13 hours ago, Hello World said: The PoN Serwe, Kellhus's first wife. By the way, does anyone know where that quote is from because I can't find it. I found a lot of references to it on both forums though... I think we just all keep repeating the same misquote of this: Quote But it was the innocence part, that struck me as the most significant and the most redemptive. Without giving too much away, there is a manner in which Serwe is the most important character in the book. Most people shake their head when I say that... Hell, even I shake my head. Kellhus is an inversion of 'the Young Man who would be King.' My UK editor calls him the 'Anti-Frodo.' He is of course, far more than that besides. Cnaiur is the All-conquering Barbarian (who cannot conquer himself). Achamian is the Wise Sorcerer (who continually fools himself). Which is a quote from the old-old Three-Seas board. Not sure who mistakenly used the word cipher first, for all I know it could have been me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 35 minutes ago, .H. said: I think we just all keep repeating the same misquote of this: Which is a quote from the old-old Three-Seas board. Not sure who mistakenly used the word cipher first, for all I know it could have been me. Bakker did say she was an "important cipher in the books" as well. http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1716.msg27721#msg27721 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.H. Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Consigliere said: Bakker did say she was an "important cipher in the books" as well. http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1716.msg27721#msg27721 Damn, you're right, my search-fu failed me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cithrin's Ale Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Serwe's ignorance and innocence might support Koringhus' logic about weakness being advantage when it comes to salvation. Unfortunately, Kellhus argued to Proyas that she's damned. There's no way to verify his statement, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Well, it's backed up by Kellhus telling Esme he's saving her soul by keeping her ignorant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dora Vee Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 And she is apparently in hell anyway. I didn't even care for her that much, but how she ended up was sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callan S. Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Really A: I should take notes on questions to ask and B: Pester the guy for another AMA, despite how dreaded that is. I kinda feel silly not to have done A before the last AMA, but to be honest I couldn't think of a main pressing question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I don't think Esme is saved due to her ignorance. Kellhus might be correct in that ignorance is something God likes, but I think his answer that Intercession actually works and can be used to save even sorcerers is more revealing. Esme has a clear intercessory agent in Mimara or Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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