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Inconsistencies, plot holes, and missing details in TSOTD, TRP, and TPATQ

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On ‎5‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 5:05 PM, The Grey Wolf said:

You are forgiven my scaly friend.

Anyway, re Fire & B V1:

Here are the numbers we have:

The Targaryen Conquest (10K words or about 30 pages)

The Peace of the Dragon (???)

The Sons of the Dragon (17K words or about 50 pages)

Fan Title: The Glory of the Dragon (???)

The Heirs of the Dragon (17K words or about 50 pages)

The Dying of the Dragons (60K words or about 160 pages)

Aftermath-The Boy King and His Regents (Between 30-60K words or 80-160 pages since @Ran vaguely described it as being as long as the Dance)

So the total we know of is 10 + 17 + 17 + 60 + 30 or 60 for a total of 134 or 164K words/370 or 450 pages approximately, which means anywhere between 270 to 190 pages is entirely new material (Aegon I/Jaehaerys I/Pre-Conquest?) and/or expansion of existing material that may or may not have already been entirely published.

(Thanks, and those are accurate, but I already had those numbers and the video already incorporates them, I already recorded...)

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1 hour ago, The Dragon Demands said:

(Thanks, and those are accurate, but I already had those numbers and the video already incorporates them, I already recorded...)

Np! Just wanted to be of help is all!

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On 2/28/2018 at 6:11 AM, Ran said:

Yep. Asked him directly on this and he said they were just made-up stories for the kids.

Not sure where to ask you this at, as it may be strictly from the main books. 

It is mentioned that Jaehaerys went North at sometime (Infered just the once and early in his reign), did this have to do with completion of the Kingsroad ending at the Blackgate, of which Jaehaerys is said to have visited? 

In Asos Bran tells Meera and Jojen that they closed the Nightfort 200 years ago to 299-300Ac  

and Sam tells Jon in AFFC that Alysanne and Jaehaerys came to Castle Black 200 years ago. Again, putting there visit in roughly 99-100ac, late in the reign of Jaehaerys.  Can you tell me anything further about this?

With Barth becoming Hand in 59Ac, the Kingsroad likely taking a decade to finish, fathering 13 children, and dealing with the Faith Militant (Not resolved with out Barth, so after 59ac). 

I find it hard to fully see the Kingsroad being finished before 70ac (halfway point in Jaehaerys reign.), or that Jaehaerys and Alysanne visited before it's completion. 

Having kids after the near destruction of their house seems priority too. 

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52 minutes ago, Ran said:

You may find some answers in Fire and Blood.

Just noticed a preview of the New Tree. I assume we're not allowed to discuss? If so, im dead in the water on talking on any of my threads haha

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Sure, it can be dicussed, it's a legitimate preview. There are issues with it, however, some of which at least should be corrected by publication.

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12 minutes ago, Ran said:

Sure, it can be dicussed, it's a legitimate preview. There are issues with it, however, some of which at least should be corrected by publication.

Oh nice. The only issue i spotted or read about was the Tree not showing Aenys coming from a Union of Aegon and Rhaenys. 

What was the original issue in the order of Jaehaerys' children? Or is that tied to what's coming in the new book. Cause i did notice that some of the changes bumped forward Maegelle and Vaegon in the time line, possibly having to do with relations with the Faith. 

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8 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Oh nice. The only issue i spotted or read about was the Tree not showing Aenys coming from a Union of Aegon and Rhaenys. 

What was the original issue in the order of Jaehaerys' children? Or is that tied to what's coming in the new book. Cause i did notice that some of the changes bumped forward Maegelle and Vaegon in the time line, possibly having to do with relations with the Faith. 

I made a summary.

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On 8/22/2018 at 8:41 AM, zionius said:

I made a summary.

@Ran Is there any changes to Alyssa Velaryon in this time, or is her info generally the same? Marries Rogar in 50ac 6 months after Jaehaerys and Alysanne wed? Meaning she couldn't have had Jocelyn any sooner than Alyssa being 45 years old since she's born in 7ac? Just curious since menopause generally sets in around 50, and after 40, women have a general 5% chance in any given month of getting pregnant. Also, Boremund is said to be older than Jocelyn. Plus im interested in Rogar marrying a woman who should be twice his senior (Rogar generation-ally falls in line with Jaehaerys, son of Alyssa. Rogar's father was of a general age with Aeny's and his father Orys of an age with Aegon), given most these Lords seem concerned about a womans fertility and this comes up with Cersei if im not mistaken.

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2 hours ago, Ran said:

You'll have to read the book to find out the answers to your questions.

Is it a secret when the L.C. position got moved to Castle Black? Its known the Nightfort is twice as old as Castle Black, but when did the switch happen and why? We hear of commanders at the Nightfort and SnowGate 300 years before the conquest going to war with each other, then united in murdering the (Unknown) Lord Commander whom im assuming was stationed at Castle Black as he wasn't able to prevent it from beginning in the first place. And why the switch to Castle Black? Especially prior to the King's Road? Or was there an older Kings Road built by the Kings of Winter? Since the book Fire and Blood dont cover that far back, and no planned history books beyond TWOIAF, is there anything you can tell me or is this Song of Ice and Fire material to be covered.

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