Buddhakin Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 11 hours ago, divica said: Very interesting post. It sounds realistic without bias towards any character. However I think we have to take something into consideration. Stannis is a tragic character. Whenever he is nealy grasping greatness with the odds on his side something unexpected happens and he loses it all. The blackwater battle is a great exemple of stannis life. So how can things go to hell for stannis? What if maderley never shows up for the battle instead of joining with stannis? Then what if roose has set up a massive trap and a day later sent ramsay with na army to kill the surviving manderleys from the battle against stannis? However when they get there there are no manderleys and the freys are about to be defeated thanks to stannis plots. But ramsay arrives in time to save them and in turn defeat stannis? Do you think something along those lines makes sense taking into account stannis tragic fate? It would be too strange if the manderleys return to winterfell without a known frey leading the remaining frey soldiers. Everybody would know they betryed the freys somehow and roose would probably be very suspicious of them and take some kind of measures. Thanks! That is what I was aiming for. I completely agree Stannis is a tragic figure and is ultimately a doomed one in this series like so many others but right now he is the last hope of removing the Boltons from the North since there are really any other military forces to oppose them right now plus Blackwater was an unexpected tragedy for him because he had the numbers but everything that could go wrong did go wrong. I think he is due for a victory and has had a few off screen. This man DID defeat the Iron Fleet after all during Greyjoy's rebellion. The one thing you said that really resonates with me the most though is Roose sending Ramsay with another force to attack Stannis. Should Stannis march on Winterfell he could have Ramsay's force take Stannis in the rear, using a hammer and anvil tactic on Stannis with the walls of Winterfell acting as the anvil. If he did send Ramsay out he would have to send him with Dreadfort men only because he can't trust Ramsay to behave in a way to keep the loyalty of men from other houses, this would also diminish Roose's strength and control over the houses that would remain inside the walls with him forcing him to rely on Lady Dustin. It may be a necessary risk though because Roose might want to send Ramsay out with a force specifically as opposed to another northern lord because Ramsay is a loose cannon and might do more more harm than good if he remains cooped up in Winterfell with tensions running high so Roose would send him out for the same reason he sent out the Freys and Manderleys. A really good twist would be if Stannis was defeated by the surprise ambush from a Ramsay attack after defeating the Freys and having his forces weakened in the process. Meanwhile Roose is overthrown in Winterfell by the other northern lords. Ramsay returns to Winterfell with key hostages taken from his victory over Stannis (Theon, his sister, fArya, maybe a few others, maybe Stannis himself) and Ramsay and the rest of his men are slaughtered by a surprise attack from the men still in Winterfell and Manderly's son comes from White Harbor with Davos and Rickon in tow and they install Rickon back in Winterfell. This conclusion would bring about the end of the Boltons and Stannis simultaneously. But again Roose sending Ramsay from the castle before he can cause Roose any more problems sounds very logical and it seems like something Roose's character would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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