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A 9 year sentence to publicly elected officials for organizing pacific demonstrations. 10 years for ignoring a court order curtailing the right of speech and debate in a Parliament. This sentence enters the terrain of totalitarianism. Or perhaps, Spain never really left it.

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On 10/14/2019 at 10:39 PM, The hairy bear said:

A 9 year sentence to publicly elected officials for organizing pacific demonstrations. 10 years for ignoring a court order curtailing the right of speech and debate in a Parliament. This sentence enters the terrain of totalitarianism. Or perhaps, Spain never really left it.

Unanimously condemned by the Flemish Parliament!!! :D

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@Tijgy some news you probably know already. The European court decided that Junqueras should have been received the seat as MEP, and thus this can have consequences for Puigdemont.

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On 12/21/2019 at 8:04 PM, Meera of Tarth said:

@Tijgy some news you probably know already. The European court decided that Junqueras should have been received the seat as MEP, and thus this can have consequences for Puigdemont.

Yeah, 

And apparently those idiot Spanish prosecutors are demanding now Belgian judges to ignore the decision of the European Court :rolleyes:

After the fact that Borrell, High-Representative of the EC, started to meddle in the Belgian Justice system: 

https://www.rtl.be/info/belgique/faits-divers/le-gouvernement-n-apprecie-pas-les-declarations-de-josep-borrell-1182694.aspx

The whole EU is obsessed with Hungary and Poland but unlike in Spain I don't think there are opposition leaders in the prison in those countries. 

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On 1/10/2020 at 7:31 PM, Tijgy said:

 

I read an interesting statement by an Italian MEP saying the problem here is that the EU doesn't have an electoral law of its own, and instead has to rely on each individual member state's electoral laws. Spanish electoral laws state that in order to hold public office you have to perform a ceremonial swearing of the constitution before a Spanish official (who then gives you a letter of office). The Catalan politicians who are living elsewhere in Europe on a self-imposed exile and who were elected as MEP weren't recognized in Spain because they hadn't complied with this procedure. The ECJ eventually stated that the right of political representation trumped this merely procedural provision of Spanish law, so Puigdemont and Comín can now occupy their seats in the EP. With Junqueras it's less straightforward, because the provision in Spanish law is that a convicted felon cannot hold public office (which, in isolation, seems reasonable enough the ECJ can't really object). Since the ECJ doesn't really have a purview over the fairness of specific sentences passed by member states' courts, once the conviction was firm, the EP had no alternative but to terminate Junqueras' mandate.

 

Europe's stance regarding nationalist movements within its member states continues to range between unfriendliness and pretending they don't happen and hoping they'll just go away on their own or that the member states will deal with them somehow (which is one of the reasons why they have hardly objected when Spain has been... let us say overzealous in dealing with the issue).

 

Hopefully the new Spanish government will make head in it's negotiations with the ERC and we can arrive to some kind of solution.

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