Garth's Empire of the Dawn Family.

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1 hour ago, AlaskanSandman said:

I just think the Andals are not Blonde, and that there is no reason to believe they are. Unless they are Valyrian who likely came from the first men, every one else around them is brunette or Black hair. Rhoyne, Sarnor, Ib, the Dothraki, all have dark hair.

If there was one blond race in Essos - Valyrians - then it's fairly possible, that there were others too, such as blond Andals

Also, just look at the map of Essos - if we'll draw up a line from western edge of Valyrian peninsula, then the distance between that line and the Axe (peninsula on the northern coast of Essos, the original home of Andals, before they came to Andalos, and from there to Westeros) is approximately 100 miles. So, maybe, both Andals and Valyrians were fair-haired races, because they both inhabited this area. Or, maybe, because those two races are both lived on peninsulas, and thus, they had similar looks because of similar climate and natural environment. Or not. 

So unless the origin of Valyrians is alien, then there could be other fair-haired races in Essos.

And, in my opinion, First Men had the same origin as Dothraki. Those proto-Dothraki, that had left Essos, were First Men of Westeros, aad those, that have stayed in Essos, eventually became Dothraki.

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10 hours ago, Megorova said:

If there was one blond race in Essos - Valyrians - then it's fairly possible, that there were others too, such as blond Andals

Also, just look at the map of Essos - if we'll draw up a line from western edge of Valyrian peninsula, then the distance between that line and the Axe (peninsula on the northern coast of Essos, the original home of Andals, before they came to Andalos, and from there to Westeros) is approximately 100 miles. So, maybe, both Andals and Valyrians were fair-haired races, because they both inhabited this area. Or, maybe, because those two races are both lived on peninsulas, and thus, they had similar looks because of similar climate and natural environment. Or not. 

So unless the origin of Valyrians is alien, then there could be other fair-haired races in Essos.

And, in my opinion, First Men had the same origin as Dothraki. Those proto-Dothraki, that had left Essos, were First Men of Westeros, aad those, that have stayed in Essos, eventually became Dothraki.

Ok yea, definitely not right and just part of Nazi Propaganda lol Blonde hair and blue eyes is not exclusive, and the same group it originates from, has dark hair too, and red. Hitler just wishes there was such a pure race lmao 

The Aryan's your thinking of are part of the Iranian branch that based on old theories, covered all of Indo-Europeans. Not true. Indo-Europeans is the larger group and Indo-Iranians a sub group of Indo-Europeans located near Iran that traveled North. Hence the legend that some tribes of the North were not indeed, of the North. Tribes of Dan from Israel and groups descending from Brutus of Troy. Again though, all speculative. Genetics though would disagree, and so would linguistics and etymology. These same  Aryan lovers also think some other horrid stuff lol 

That being said, yes there could be the ancestor is Essos, especially considering the Ghis now are red heads. Though we dont know who the original Ghiscari were. 
Interesting idea on the Dothraki, and language wise they show similarities to Valyria. I have speculated on a tie between them two but not by way of first men. Possible though. 

One would assume Azor was maybe brunette and his wife was blonde. That would make kids/tribes of each, dark, red hair, and blonde. Valyrian's practicing incest would help keep the blonde. Possible. With the Andals coming after Valyria had secured the blonde. Though i am curious who Orys's mother is. You'd think soon as they stopped incest, the dominant brunette would show it self again irregardless. Gene expression is messy. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

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3 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Interesting idea on the Dothraki, and language wise they show similarities to Valyria. I have speculated on a tie between them two but not by way of first men. Possible though. 

What similarities to Valyria?

I meant, that Andals and Valyrians may have the same ancestors, while Dothraki may have the same ancestors as First Men.

Both Andals and Valyrians are blond, blue-eyed, and tall. And they were living in hilly lands and mountainous areas. Andalos was even called the Hills of Andalos. In Westeros Andals have settled in The Vale, in Westerlands (where most of the area are mountains), and in mountains of Dorne. In Valyria there were lots of volcanoes, and thus, lots of mountains. Dragonstone is a volcanic island with caves. Aegon the Conqueror has built first Aegonfort and then King's Landing on three hills, named after him and his sisters.

So both Andals and Valyrians liked high places, or to be above others. Possibly, something like common genetic comlex of superiority. 

First Men, same as Dothraki, were horseriders. Both of those races were dark-haired, dark-eyed, savage nomadic warriors (without complex writing system), that were using bronze weapons. Modern Dothraki use bronze arakhs, as their primary weapon, while First Men were using bronze swords and bronze axes. Dothraki arakh seems like a mix of a sword and an axe. Old Tongue of First Men is described as a harsh, clanging language. Dothraki speech is described as a rough, harsh language.

Current language of Westeros is Common Tongue, that previously was language of Andals. Majority of population in Essos know Valyrian language. In Essos, Valyrian is their "common tongue". So it's one more similarity between Andals and Valyrians.

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Andals aren't Tall and Blonde. Tully look is essentially Whent and Lothson look with other families they married. Baratheon look is Durrandon look - I believe Orys was fathered with a petty landless knight's wife and papa B was an Andal due to the surname- Orys we are told has black hair and black eyes. Lann was a First Men possible son of Maris and was blonde like all Lannisters after him. Even Arryn name appears before Andal arrival in Westeros. 

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1 hour ago, Jova Snow said:

Tully look is essentially Whent and Lothson look with other families they married. Baratheon look is Durrandon look - I believe Orys was fathered with a petty landless knight's wife and papa B was an Andal due to the surname- Orys we are told has black hair and black eyes. Lann was a First Men possible son of Maris and was blonde like all Lannisters after him. Even Arryn name appears before Andal arrival in Westeros. 

I was talking about ancient Andals, when their genes weren't yet mixed with First Men. Modern Tullys don't look like old-days-Andals. Same with the rest. Mother of Orys Baratheon was living several thousands years after Invasion of Andals into Westeros, so her genes were far from being 100%, or even 50% Andal.

1 hour ago, Jova Snow said:

Andals aren't Tall and Blonde.

Fact #1, AGOT, Bran VII: "The Andals were the first, a race of tall, fair-haired warriors"

Modern Andals may not be tall nor blond, but those Andals, that invaded Westeros several thousands years ago, were tall and fair-haired.

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21 hours ago, Megorova said:

What similarities to Valyria?

I meant, that Andals and Valyrians may have the same ancestors, while Dothraki may have the same ancestors as First Men.

Both Andals and Valyrians are blond, blue-eyed, and tall. And they were living in hilly lands and mountainous areas. Andalos was even called the Hills of Andalos. In Westeros Andals have settled in The Vale, in Westerlands (where most of the area are mountains), and in mountains of Dorne. In Valyria there were lots of volcanoes, and thus, lots of mountains. Dragonstone is a volcanic island with caves. Aegon the Conqueror has built first Aegonfort and then King's Landing on three hills, named after him and his sisters.

So both Andals and Valyrians liked high places, or to be above others. Possibly, something like common genetic comlex of superiority. 

First Men, same as Dothraki, were horseriders. Both of those races were dark-haired, dark-eyed, savage nomadic warriors (without complex writing system), that were using bronze weapons. Modern Dothraki use bronze arakhs, as their primary weapon, while First Men were using bronze swords and bronze axes. Dothraki arakh seems like a mix of a sword and an axe. Old Tongue of First Men is described as a harsh, clanging language. Dothraki speech is described as a rough, harsh language.

Current language of Westeros is Common Tongue, that previously was language of Andals. Majority of population in Essos know Valyrian language. In Essos, Valyrian is their "common tongue". So it's one more similarity between Andals and Valyrians.

The usage of ae in their spelling is similar. Which may or may not tie to Ghis, im unsure as not enough is known off of them. Their bond with their horses seems somewhat similar too. Specially with the idea that a Dothraki marrying a Valyrian to produce the Khal that would Mount the World. Its more than likely the Dothraki will see Dany mounting Dragons as a whoa thing and likely follow her. Imo/best guess, this is due to some ancestor who is possibly tied to the first Dragon rider. 

Though yes, the Dothraki language is described as Harsh, so is the Ghiscari Valyrian. 

With the Harpy seeming to represent some skinchanger/Warg. It's likely they are worshiping the same ancient figure. There was likely a language split that caused one to be harsh or stay harsh, while the other went almost latin like. Or like how English is softer than its ancestor German (complicated by foreign influence-French bringing latin and greek and french)

This may have been due though to the ancient ones different parents. One being of one peoples, the other, of a different peoples.

So back to Azor Ahai, and Huzhor and the Bloodstone Emperor in my OP. We'll call him Hero. Hero is likely fathered from the East by the Empire of the Dawn, and mothered from the Grass lands, last son of the Fisher Queen's. 

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17 hours ago, Megorova said:

I was talking about ancient Andals, when their genes weren't yet mixed with First Men. Modern Tullys don't look like old-days-Andals. Same with the rest. Mother of Orys Baratheon was living several thousands years after Invasion of Andals into Westeros, so her genes were far from being 100%, or even 50% Andal.

Fact #1, AGOT, Bran VII: "The Andals were the first, a race of tall, fair-haired warriors"

Modern Andals may not be tall nor blond, but those Andals, that invaded Westeros several thousands years ago, were tall and fair-haired.

Yes the Maester say the Andals came 4000 years ago or 6000 if you believe Cat. That they brought round architecture, that they were tall and blonde. That first men didn't build round structures, which they may not have. Also that the Andals came after the Long Night, yet, the Andals are the one's who broke the pact. 

Yet, the Andals made none either is Essos. Pentos and Braavos have square buildings and we have yet heard of a single ancient Andal city of than Lorath which was a wooden keep that was burned. No great castles, nothing. 

We are told they were blonde but no one around them were blonde unless they came specifically from Valyria. Though we are not out right told they are religious descendants of Valyria. Its not unreasonable though. Though if Valyria came from the first men, then the first men were blondes too. 

And as far as them and the pact but not being around for the Long Night. Hmmmm. We have already mostly proved the Maesters are probably wrong and that the Andals only came 2000 years ago. So they are likely wrong or lying about much else. Imo

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5 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

So back to Azor Ahai, and Huzhor and the Bloodstone Emperor in my OP. We'll call him Hero. Hero is likely fathered from the East by the Empire of the Dawn, and mothered from the Grass lands, last son of the Fisher Queen's. 

It seems, that Yi Ti is based on China. There's several parallels between them, including their location on the world map, and that their emperors are thought to be descendants of gods. But even though First Long Night was supposedly caused by Bloodstone Emperor, it doesn't mean, that first Azor Ahai was also from Yi Ti/"China", or was in any way related to all those Gemstone Emperors.

It's obvious, that the source of upcoming Long Night is not in Yi Ti, it's in Westeros, beyond The Wall. Thus, probably, whatever was going on in the Empire of the Dawn, won't give us any clues about identity of current Azor Ahai.

In my opinion, all that info about the Empire of the Dawn, except the part about the Lion and the Maiden, is just a filler/red herring. And Azor Ahai was not related to Gemstone Emperors, and wasn't even from Yi Ti. He, probably, was from Asshai. I'm basing this conclusion on the story, told to Davos by Saan, according to which, Azor Ahai was forging Lightbringer in sacret flames, in a temple. And in what religion the fire is sacred? -> In religion of R'hllor. The prophecy about Second Long Night is from Asshai. Melisandre also has arrived from Asshai. Thus, what is relevant from the past history of Planetos, is also in Asshai, while Yi Ti is just a diversion. Because of those Gemstone Emperors, readers think, that ghost kings from Dany's fevered dreams, are Emperors of the Dawn Empire, while actually GRRM just used them as a diversion, not to make it too obvious, who those ghosts really are. Not all historical or legendary figures in ASOIAF are someone else. Azor Ahai and the Last Hero from Westeros could be two different people. Same with all the rest - those 8 Emperors of the Dawn, may not be connected to historical figures from Westeros, such as Garth, Lannisters, Starks, etc.

Let's wait and see, how it will turns out later, but for now I think, that those Gemstone Emperors are just a filler.