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2 hours ago, chrisdaw said:

Jon will mount a dragon once. Dany will die and enter a second life within the remnants of Drogon with Drogo and Rhaego. When she does what will emerge is a dragon similar to Balerion. Jon will mount this dragon and ride it into battle against a literal ice dragon. The ice dragon will be defeated, the Balerion dragon will fly away under great duress, riderless. Jon will be lost, presumed dead. Very few people will have seen him mount the dragon and no living human will see him again after he does. He will not ride a dragon in any capacity before this final fight for the dawn.

What happens after that? Does Jon die?

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28 minutes ago, Ralphis Baratheon said:

What happens after that? Does Jon die?

The story ends, left for the singers to speculate on. Daemon's ending is the blueprint.

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3 hours ago, chrisdaw said:

The story ends, left for the singers to speculate on. Daemon's ending is the blueprint.

Interesting that you use the word “blueprint” which used by architects.

 

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/US_Signing_Tour_Half_Moon_Bay_CA/

 

The Architect and the Gardener

At the Booksmith signing, George went into how he sees a general division between writers. Some are "architects." They create languages, write character biographies and map out plot points all before ever writing a word of their series. Then there are the gardeners, of whom George is one. They plant a seed, water it and let it grow. The thing is, they usually have to water it or it dies. Unfortunately, Avalon and something George worked on right after AR died. But AGOT refused to do so. George said Tyrion kept whispering in his ear over the years and when he went back to it in 1994 it was as if he had left it for three days instead of three years.

 

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Category/Heraldry/P300

 

GRRM: Hopefully you know the general shape of your story. Writers generally come in two flavors: architechts and gardeners - gardeners plant a seed which is the character and in the earth which is the world you created and you water it with your blood.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Lollygag said:

Interesting that you use the word “blueprint” which used by architects.

Sure, but if Jon rides a dragon, when and where and under what circumstances, particularly as it is the ending, is not a gardening matter, it is skeletal, as he had always the skeleton in his mind.

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6 minutes ago, chrisdaw said:

Sure, but if Jon rides a dragon, when and where and under what circumstances, particularly as it is the ending, is not a gardening matter, it is skeletal, as he had always the skeleton in his mind.

This just sounds in conflict with how the books are written. If the whats, hows, whens, whys and wheres of the characters have been drawn out in such detail before-hand, the writing of the books would be easier and quicker and not be a matter of planting a seed, watering it and watching it grow as is referenced in my post above. Planting a seed and especially lots of seeds and watching them grow would interfere with any such skeletons. I don't think this would work for anything beyond planning end-games and very broad strokes.

If there were always skeletons developed to the extent that whens, whats, whys, hows and wheres were drawn up for every major character/event in the series, then the books would be very different than what we have. It was supposed to be a trilogy is now very possibly to be 8 massive novels. I really don't see much in the way of skeletons mapped in the detail which you claim here unless those skeletons are made of jello.

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It's a matter of record he has in his head the broad strokes and main character's fates. What I detailed is a pivotal point in the story and the ending of two of the big three.

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Jon has a lot of ice in his nature, maybe too much for a dragon to bond with.

'Armoured in ice', for one thing; and for another, Longclaw has garnets as the eyes of the pommel - the exact gem that Tywin rejects for the swords of his sons - because they 'lack the fire'.

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7 hours ago, chrisdaw said:

It's a matter of record he has in his head the broad strokes and main character's fates. What I detailed is a pivotal point in the story and the ending of two of the big three.

Sure. But that's your story. We technically won't know what is a pivotal part of the story or what comprises the ending until it's published.

And broad strokes =/= skeletons worked out to the point how, what, when, where, and why are structured. Drawing up skeletons (of buildings) in detail (blueprints) is what architects do.

 

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On 1/12/2018 at 0:21 PM, Lost Melnibonean said:

Yeap. The black one. The winged shadow. Balerion come again. A flaming sword above the world. 

He would likely to need to warg that one to override its bond with Daenerys. 

I think Jon will get a dragon, as it may be the only way to prove, without a doubt, his heritage. 

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7 hours ago, Fire Eater said:

He would likely to need to warg that one to override its bond with Daenerys. 

I think Jon will get a dragon, as it may be the only way to prove, without a doubt, his heritage. 

No need

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On 2018-01-13 at 1:31 AM, Dorian Martell's son said:

Well, Dany does not know of the Others, and after the next "long" night there won't be enough people around to have armies and to fight. 

Danaerys will learn of the Others as she makes her way west. And as long as there are two people alive, there are enough people to fight a war. And I don't think there will be a long night, more like a long winter but nothing close to 30 years of winter.

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3 hours ago, LionoftheWest said:

Danaerys will learn of the Others as she makes her way west. And as long as there are two people alive, there are enough people to fight a war. And I don't think there will be a long night, more like a long winter but nothing close to 30 years of winter.

I suspect this will be the case. Mormont told Tyrion that White Walkers had been spotted and Mormont believed the account (Bran clarifies white walkers to be the Others elsewhere in the text). Tyrion later gets an uneasy feeling about North of the Wall. He also knows that Mormont sent Alliser to KL about the wights. We also now have wildlings who were rescued from Hardhome now being integrated into Essos' slave trade. If Dany, Tyrion and any of these slaves get together, then she might arrive in Westeros very informed. The door is also opened to members of the NW stranded in Hardhome being caught up in the slave trade, as well.

ADWD The Blind Girl

"I know where the slaves came from. They were wildlings from Westeros, from a place called Hardhome. An old ruined place, accursed." Old Nan had told her tales of Hardhome, back at Winterfell when she had still been Arya Stark. "After the big battle where the King-Beyond-the-Wall was killed, the wildlings ran away, and this woods witch said that if they went to Hardhome, ships would come and carry them away to someplace warm. But no ships came, except these two Lyseni pirates, Goodheart and Elephant, that had been driven north by a storm. They dropped anchor off Hardhome to make repairs, and saw the wildlings, but there were thousands and they didn't have room for all of them, so they said they'd just take the women and the children. The wildlings had nothing to eat, so the men sent out their wives and daughters, but as soon as the ships were out to sea, the Lyseni drove them below and roped them up. They meant to sell them all in Lys. Only then they ran into another storm and the ships were parted. The Goodheart was so damaged her captain had no choice but to put in here, but the Elephant may have made it back to Lys. The Lyseni at Pynto's think that she'll return with more ships. The price of slaves is rising, they said, and there are thousands more women and children at Hardhome."

 

Edited by Lollygag

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