James Steller Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Re-reading the book recently, it strikes me that Rodrik should have smelled a rat regarding the Dreadfort men's arrival at the siege. Just to summarize events leading up to that moment, Ramsay Snow had just kidnapped and killed Lady Hornwood, the Boltons and Manderlys were fighting over the Hornwood lands, and Ramsay Snow was allegedly killed by Rodrik and his followers. So with all that in mind, what made Rodrik think that those Bolton men were allies? What logic did he apply to justify the Boltons sending anyone to Winterfell? We can assume that Ramsay was obviously in charge of the Dreadfort with Roose's absence. Ramsay is now both dead (as far as Rodrik knows), and he is guilty of so many atrocities, not least of which having Lady Hornwood starve to death. If House Bolton tolerated such a monster, why would they aid the man who killed said monster and wishes to drag his name through the mud with a trial? Rodrik should have smelled a rat when the Dreadfort men arrived. Maybe not outright attacked them, but at least he could have had his men on the alert and kept his distance. Instead of just assuming all was well and shake the commander's hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Ramsay Snow was a bastard, so why would he be in charge? And the Boltons hadn’t rebelled for generations. Rodrik had no reason to suspect foul play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I don't think it was known that Ramsay was left in charge of the Dreadfort so that could account for it. But even it was, Rodrik had no reason to distrust the Dreadfort men. They followed Ramsay because he was their Lords son. As far as Rodrik knew, this 'new commander' (actually the same guy) had no interest in going down the same path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 hours ago, James Steller said: Re-reading the book recently, it strikes me that Rodrik should have smelled a rat regarding the Dreadfort men's arrival at the siege. Just to summarize events leading up to that moment, Ramsay Snow had just kidnapped and killed Lady Hornwood, the Boltons and Manderlys were fighting over the Hornwood lands, and Ramsay Snow was allegedly killed by Rodrik and his followers. So with all that in mind, what made Rodrik think that those Bolton men were allies? What logic did he apply to justify the Boltons sending anyone to Winterfell? We can assume that Ramsay was obviously in charge of the Dreadfort with Roose's absence. Ramsay is now both dead (as far as Rodrik knows), and he is guilty of so many atrocities, not least of which having Lady Hornwood starve to death. If House Bolton tolerated such a monster, why would they aid the man who killed said monster and wishes to drag his name through the mud with a trial? Rodrik should have smelled a rat when the Dreadfort men arrived. Maybe not outright attacked them, but at least he could have had his men on the alert and kept his distance. Instead of just assuming all was well and shake the commander's hand. The seat of the north was being attacked by the Iron born. He would have welcomed men from another northern house. There is no reason to smell a rat as Ramsey was considered dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherFromAnotherMother Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 hours ago, James Steller said: Rodrik should have smelled a rat when the Dreadfort men arrived. And I should have invested in bitcoin when it was trading for $1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis-something-Rose Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 There was an even bigger rat in Robb's host and no one sniffed that one out. Rodrik wanted to take Winterfell back. Any help he received was welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunland Lord Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 He thought Ramsay was dead, so he should've been a super-suspicious man to think that the Boltons, Stark vassals, would backstab him. Couldn't have known about the Ramsay-Reek switcheroo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Most likely, Rodrik would have had small units of outriders guarding his rear and his flanks. One of those units would have made initial contact with Ramsay. Ramsay would not have given his name since he was presumed dead, but he would have advised that he was bringing men from the Dreadfort in answer to Rodrik’s summons. This would have been relayed to Rodrik, who would have welcomed the additional cohort, which was smaller than his own force. Surprise then benefitted Ramsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The biggest issue with Rodrik is not believing a northern house will aid him but how he handled the prior affairs. Leaving the capital of the North and the King's heirs basically undefended (when he has 900 men with him) and then stripping (or allowing to be stripped) TS of its garrison to fight at WF were both moronic mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Rodrick Cassell is an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Its easy to see why the Bolton men would want to curry favor with Rodrick after the whole incident with Ramsay and Lady Hornwood and smooth things over a bit by helping with re-taking Winterfell. If all Robb hears is how much trouble the Bolton soldiers have been, Robb could well kill them as Roose throws them under the bus to save himself. If on the other hand they can prove their worth to Rodrick Cassel he might put in a good word for them to Robb and so they'll be spared and the blame put entirely on Ramsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 1/18/2018 at 8:45 PM, James Steller said: Re-reading the book recently, it strikes me that Rodrik should have smelled a rat regarding the Dreadfort men's arrival at the siege. Just to summarize events leading up to that moment, Ramsay Snow had just kidnapped and killed Lady Hornwood, the Boltons and Manderlys were fighting over the Hornwood lands, and Ramsay Snow was allegedly killed by Rodrik and his followers. So with all that in mind, what made Rodrik think that those Bolton men were allies? What logic did he apply to justify the Boltons sending anyone to Winterfell? We can assume that Ramsay was obviously in charge of the Dreadfort with Roose's absence. Ramsay is now both dead (as far as Rodrik knows), and he is guilty of so many atrocities, not least of which having Lady Hornwood starve to death. If House Bolton tolerated such a monster, why would they aid the man who killed said monster and wishes to drag his name through the mud with a trial? Rodrik should have smelled a rat when the Dreadfort men arrived. Maybe not outright attacked them, but at least he could have had his men on the alert and kept his distance. Instead of just assuming all was well and shake the commander's hand. Yah I'm with the majority here. There was no reason to think Ramsay was in charge of the Dreadfort. By all appearances the Boltons were staunch Stark supporters at the time. Roose often bemoans his bastard's bad blood and distances himself from Ramsay...until Ramsay turns it around and "saves" Winterfell from the Ironborn. Then Ramsay becomes OK in Roose's conversations. Rodrik had no way of knowing what the bastard of Bolton was up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kandrax Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I think that Rodrik was idiot for not executing Ramsay alongside Reek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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