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How do you think the Winds of Winter book will begin?


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I’m sure this question has been discussed on here before but I haven’t been here for a while and I’ve been thinking about WoW. I always love reading the prologues of each of the books in the series. They are extremely fascinating since they are always from the point of view of someone not considered a “main” character or even an important supporting character; but in one way or another they’re still important to the plot. With the direction that the series is going, where do you guys think the WoW is going to start? And who will the prologue character be? And why? 

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16 minutes ago, Winter Blues said:

It’s gonna start with the storyline of wherever Jeyne Westerling is...

I’ve actually heard that a few times from a few other people. Why is that one so popular? 

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The Narrator (and possibly many more in the Westerling party) will die because that ALWAYS happens in Prologues.

After the Prologue, my best guess is that the beginning of the novel will centre on one of the already released chapters - possibly a Tyrion or Barristan chapter to focus on the Battle of Fire, and paralleling that with the Battle of Ice in the North with Theon and Asha chapters. We might get a Euron update in the midst of that.

I think that GRRM indicated somewhere that TWoW would hit the ground running with battles galore or something.

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The prologue pov is usually from some minor character who is about to die in a meeting with a  significant background force. Right?

And Jeyne Westerling is supposed to be in it.

That would put it somewhere in the West. Significant background force would probably be the BWB/LSH. As for the minor character pov, maybe Sibel Westerling. The BWB could kidnap/rescue Jeyne and kill the traitorous Westerlings. LSH could have learned from Jaime what really happened and decided to take revenge. Maybe Brienne and even Jaime are forced to take part, Jaime as a way to get into their castle.

If Jeyne is going underground with the BWB - willingly or not - they could sow doubts about there being an heir to Robb. That might even provide a rallying point for the resistance to the Boltons and Freys. Maybe even somewhere to go for Sansa/Alayne.

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6 hours ago, Zapho said:

The prologue pov is usually from some minor character who is about to die in a meeting with a  significant background force. Right?

And Jeyne Westerling is supposed to be in it.

That would put it somewhere in the West. Significant background force would probably be the BWB/LSH. As for the minor character pov, maybe Sibel Westerling. The BWB could kidnap/rescue Jeyne and kill the traitorous Westerlings. LSH could have learned from Jaime what really happened and decided to take revenge. Maybe Brienne and even Jaime are forced to take part, Jaime as a way to get into their castle.

If Jeyne is going underground with the BWB - willingly or not - they could sow doubts about there being an heir to Robb. That might even provide a rallying point for the resistance to the Boltons and Freys. Maybe even somewhere to go for Sansa/Alayne.

Jeyne is not in the West yet, is she? She was last seen departing from Riverrun. The Prologue is clearly going to be in the Riverlands, and will almost certainly focus on the escape of the Northern hostages and likely some major rebel action against the Lannisters.

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I believe that the Winds Prologue is narrated by Ser Forley Prester, who is escorting Jeyne and Edmure to the West. It's likely that they will be attacked by the BwB (maybe with the Blackfish too? Depends on whether he found them or not) in order to take Jeyne and Edmure for Stoneheart. However, I really like the idea of the Prologue being narrated by Sybell, who I really hope is not as heartless as she seems. It would be really effective if she was lying to Jaime's face in order to keep her family safe, and then was hanged by Stoneheart at the end of the prologue anyway (Stoneheart's not known for her great listening skills). The only problem I see with this structure (Sybell Narrator, attacked by BwB, hanged by Stoneheart), is we've already seen two chapters end with POV characters being hanged by Stoneheart, and it may seem a bit repetitive. 

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We will see BWB ambushing the Lannister team that heads to Casterly Rock. Forley Prester will be the POV that sees Lannisters and Westerlings killed at LS orders. It is the start of the Riverlands uprising.

The first chapter after that will be Arianne I (already released), depicting 

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Arianne's arrival at Ghost Hill during her quest to meet Aegon.

 

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On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 7:19 AM, Zapho said:

The prologue pov is usually from some minor character who is about to die in a meeting with a  significant background force. Right?

And Jeyne Westerling is supposed to be in it.

That would put it somewhere in the West. Significant background force would probably be the BWB/LSH. As for the minor character pov, maybe Sibel Westerling. The BWB could kidnap/rescue Jeyne and kill the traitorous Westerlings. LSH could have learned from Jaime what really happened and decided to take revenge. Maybe Brienne and even Jaime are forced to take part, Jaime as a way to get into their castle.

If Jeyne is going underground with the BWB - willingly or not - they could sow doubts about there being an heir to Robb. That might even provide a rallying point for the resistance to the Boltons and Freys. Maybe even somewhere to go for Sansa/Alayne.

This makes a lot of sense.  I had imagined the prologue being an Osha or random Skagosi POV but I had forgotten the Jeyne Westerling thing.  I think she's still in the riverlands making her way west now though.

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I also read it somewhere that Jeyne would be in the Prologue, and I thought that meant she would die since all the Prologue POV characters die.  So i like the idea of the POV coming from Sybell with a deathbed confession of sorts.

I think it will be the Blackfish and a few of the BWB but not Lady Stoneheart.  Her group is northeast of Riverrun and they are taking Jeyne and the other Northern captives west to the Rock.

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Actually, not all prologue POVs have died at the end.  Chett was still alive at the end of the prologue to ASOS.  He died later on.

I think the prologue will take place at Casterly Rock, and include the arrival of Edmure and Jeyne.  (While it is true that CR isn't on the way to the Crag, the road to the Crag leaves close to the Riverlands and Prester may not want to split his forces so close to unfriendly territory).  That way, we get a look at CR, as well as an update on events in the West, Riverlands, and KL.  The narrator could be the maester at CR, which would fit the pattern of having a maester in every other prologue.

I doubt it will be a rescue attempt.   It is unlikely that the BwB could get a large enough force together quickly enough to have a good chance of success.

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