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On 27.3.2018 at 9:22 AM, Free Northman Reborn said:

Can you be more specific please. Are you referring to a gargoyle that fell from Winterfell when it was burned? If so, that seems like a rather pointless event to have a vision for. And where is the shadow fire in that scenario? Most of all, why is it significant?

You don't remember Summer seeing a winged snake over Winterfell, breathing shadow fire?

That's at the same moment one of the walls of the Old Keep crashes down during the fire as Bran and Co later see when they walk through the ruins after the fire. The crash is explicitly mentioned during the burning of Winterfell scene. The old keep has the gargoyles ontop of it. So they fall too - or one at least. The one that's later found by Theon in the ADwD scene I cited above.

Why is it significant? Oh.

For the minor reason that the gargoyle falls at the very place that Bran fell too? (this detail is explicitly noticed by Theon in the ADwD scene).

Bran, the guy whose being pushed out the window of that very same Old Keep and falling down (after having climbed along those very gargoyles) set the whole conflict in motion? The guy who is likely on track to become one of the great seers in the story? The one who recurrently keeps having dreams of flying and falling. The one whose visions might well help to uncover Jon's real identity? Not to mention this pushing of Bran majorly impacted Jaime's story. Additionally it is significant because the gargoyle crashed down right at the entrance to the Crypts of Winterfell. The crypts that contain Jon's real mother's tomb. (And possibly more things that have not been revealed yet by the author). GRRM could have landed that gargoyle anywhere. Or not crashed it down in the first place. Instead he chose this very spot! And explicitly added the shadow fire when Summer saw the whole thing. And it word for word fulfills the stone beast line of Dany's HotU vision. GRRM did all this for a purpose.

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9 hours ago, Amris said:

You don't remember Summer seeing a winged snake over Winterfell, breathing shadow fire?

That's at the same moment one of the walls of the Old Keep crashes down during the fire as Bran and Co later see when they walk through the ruins after the fire. The crash is explicitly mentioned during the burning of Winterfell scene. The old keep has the gargoyles ontop of it. So they fall too - or one at least. The one that's later found by Theon in the ADwD scene I cited above.

Why is it significant? Oh.

For the minor reason that the gargoyle falls at the very place that Bran fell too? (this detail is explicitly noticed by Theon in the ADwD scene).

Bran, the guy whose being pushed out the window of that very same Old Keep and falling down (after having climbed along those very gargoyles) set the whole conflict in motion? The guy who is likely on track to become one of the great seers in the story? The one who recurrently keeps having dreams of flying and falling. The one whose visions might well help to uncover Jon's real identity? Not to mention this pushing of Bran majorly impacted Jaime's story. Additionally it is significant because the gargoyle crashed down right at the entrance to the Crypts of Winterfell. The crypts that contain Jon's real mother's tomb. (And possibly more things that have not been revealed yet by the author). GRRM could have landed that gargoyle anywhere. Or not crashed it down in the first place. Instead he chose this very spot! And explicitly added the shadow fire when Summer saw the whole thing. And it word for word fulfills the stone beast line of Dany's HotU vision. GRRM did all this for a purpose.

So Bran will wake the dragon from stone (Jon)?

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10 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

So Bran will wake the dragon from stone (Jon)?

Dany already woke dragons from stone so I don't think it's necessary that Bran does too.

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5 hours ago, Amris said:

Dany already woke dragons from stone so I don't think it's necessary that Bran does too.

Are you then saying Bran IS the great stone beast that takes wing? I don't quite understand your exact theory, sorry.

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23 minutes ago, Free Northman Reborn said:

Are you then saying Bran IS the great stone beast that takes wing? I don't quite understand your exact theory, sorry.

I do not think it is helpful to fixate on who the stone beast is. The more important question is: What does the vision symbolize. And that's what I was trying to answer.

In my opinion this part of Dany's HotU vision symbolizes a part of Jon's storyline - namely at Bran being instrumental in uncovering Jon as a Targaryen prince. It may also hint at some clues being hidden in Lyanna's tomb and proving Jon's ancestry but we don't know that yet. Anyway Lyanna's tomb is right there in the crypts where first Bran and then the gargoyle fell so the place is significant in Jon's arc.

But sure: if you really feel the need to name a person 'the' stone beast then that person would be Bran. Bran who fell there, later sybolized by the stone gargoyle which fell there too while shadow fire was in the air and which in Theon's ADwD scene looks out of the snow, staring at the skies just like Bran is staring into the far distance through the weirnet, uncovering - things.

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Btw: if you look at the 3 vision triplets in the HotU the other two triplets each end with clues from Jon's story arc too. First triplet stanza 3: Rhaegar whispering a woman's name (likely Lyanna's). (Daughter of death). Jon's parents being dead.

Second triplet stanza 3: Bran as stone beast instrumental in uncovering Jon's parentage. (Slayer of lies) The lie being Jon's false identity.

Third triplet stanza 3: Jon a blue flower in a wall of ice. (Bride of Fire). Likely Jon as Dany's third and final lover.

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Just like with all prophecies, its interpreted wrong. 

The Stone Dragon isn't a person, its a castle: Dragon Stone. 

Davos Seaworth is Azor Ahai Reborn. 

Davos literally was reborn amidst Salt and Smoke after the Battle of the Blackwater, while we thought he died. 

When Davos helped Edric Storm escape, his shadow was described of that of a Sword (Lightbringer) 

''The wind sighed through the chamber, and in the hearth the flames gusted and swirled. He listened to the logs crackle and spit. When Davos left the window his shadow went before him, tall and thin, and fell across the Painted Table like a sword.''

When Melisandre goes into the cave with Davos to kill Renly she says this:

''Is the brave Ser Onion so frightened of a passing shadow? Take heart, then. Shadows only live when given birth by light, and the king’s fires burn so low I dare not draw off any more to make another son. It might well kill him.” Melisandre moved closer. “With another man, though… a man whose flames still burn hot and high… if you truly wish to serve your king’s cause, come to my chamber one night. I could give you pleasure such as you have never known, and with your life-fire I could make.''

When he is kept under Dragonstone with Alester Florent, there is more evidence towards Davos when he is taken away.

''Take the torch,” Ser Axell commanded the gaoler. “Leave the traitor to the darkness. "No,” his brother said. “Axell, please, don’t take the light… gods have mercy.”

Another supporting factor is that we hear about Azor Ahai the first time in a Davos chapter. 

Salt and Smoke, Shadows, Flames burn hot and high, life-fire, Darkness, Don't take the Light are the crucial key parts here. 

Davos Seaworth is gonna drive away the Shadows (White Walkers), with his life-fire, which will be ignited the moment he hears about Shireen having died in the books. 

Davos is both Lightbringer as Azor Ahai Reborn, since he fits all criteria and while Jon and Dany do to, GRRM is known for not doing the obvious, which means Davos is more likely than Jon and Dany. 

 

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33 minutes ago, nickdt said:

The Stone Dragon isn't a person, its a castle: Dragon Stone. 

Mel uses plural, dragons 

33 minutes ago, nickdt said:

Davos literally was reborn amidst Salt and Smoke after the Battle of the Blackwater, while we thought he died. 

When Davos helped Edric Storm escape, his shadow was described of that of a Sword (Lightbringer) 

When Melisandre goes into the cave with Davos to kill Renly she says this:

When he is kept under Dragonstone with Alester Florent, there is more evidence towards Davos when he is taken away.

Another supporting factor is that we hear about Azor Ahai the first time in a Davos chapter. 

Salt and Smoke, Shadows, Flames burn hot and high, life-fire, Darkness, Don't take the Light are the crucial key parts here. 

Davos Seaworth is gonna drive away the Shadows (White Walkers), with his life-fire, which will be ignited the moment he hears about Shireen having died in the books. 

Davos is both Lightbringer as Azor Ahai Reborn, since he fits all criteria and while Jon and Dany do to, GRRM is known for not doing the obvious, which means Davos is more likely than Jon and Dany. 

According to the first Davos chapter (where they burn the statues) and my own troll theory, because I cannot take this topic serious any more:

-Devan is AA (he clasps the burning sword together with the other already dead squire)

-Stannis is the warrior ( he draws the sword from the fire)

-we could interpret Davos as the sword, Stannis draws from the fire 

Devan is a very creepy character based on all the scenes he appears in. He has a too prominent role for a background character. Like he was one of the last to be saved at the battle of the Blackwater, he is the squire of Stannis, he was there when the statues burned, he is there when Mel has her visions at the Wall. This guy is well hidden in plain sight. 

Edited by SirArthur

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Like i said before: Prophecies can be misintrepeted. 

But even then, Davos is Azor Ahai, or at least the living embodiement of Lightbringer.

Imo, we get four main heroes against the Shadows, who are being supported by the peoples who are supposed too represent the gods

Azor Ahai Reborn, Lightbringer, The Last Hero and the Stallion that Mounts the World

Obviously, Dany is the Stallion, while Bran is the Last Hero most likely. This leaves Davos and Jon for Azor Ahai and Lightbringer. 

The Father: Barristan Selmy/High Septon/Doran Martell

The Mother: Brienne of Tarth

The Warrior: Sandor Clegane/Jorah Mormont/Jaime Lannister

The Smith: Gendry

The Maiden: Sansa Stark

The Crone: Olenna Tyrell

The Stranger: Tyrion Lannister/Sandor Clegane (His horse name can be a hint)

 

 

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