Jeor Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I think in terms of peaks it was Federer up to 2008. When Nadal beat him in the Wimbledon final he took over for a few years (and that's where he won his non-French Slams) and then Djokovic from about 2011 onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, Jeor said: I think in terms of peaks it was Federer up to 2008. When Nadal beat him in the Wimbledon final he took over for a few years (and that's where he won his non-French Slams) and then Djokovic from about 2011 onwards. I am just talking from memory but I think it isn't accurate to say Nadal was the best in 2008 and 2009. At least in 2009 fed won Rolland garros and wimbledon... In 2008 Nadal only won Wimbledon and RL and I think fed was in the 4 grand slam finals... So nadal had his peak in 2010 and Novak in 2011... It is pretty close and in 2011 Novak destroyed Nadal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxus Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, divica said: In 2008 Nadal only won Wimbledon and RL and I think fed was in the 4 grand slam finals... If memory serves, Djokovic won his first GS in Australia in 2008, beating Tsonga in the finals so Fed couldn't have played in that final, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CityApache Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Yes, in 2008 Federer won US Open, lost to Nadal in French Open and Wimledon finals and to Djokovic in Australian Open semifinal. Nevertheless, I wouldn't say it meant passing over the mantle of the best player in the world just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, baxus said: If memory serves, Djokovic won his first GS in Australia in 2008, beating Tsonga in the finals so Fed couldn't have played in that final, at least. 1 minute ago, 3CityApache said: Yes, in 2008 Federer won US Open, lost to Nadal in French Open and Wimledon finals and to Djokovic in Australian Open semifinal. Thought he lost to Novak in the AO final. So OK, 2008 is a difficult year to judge because Nadal always wins RL and the other 3 grand slams were divided... 2009 was a fed year and 2010 was nadal's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 hours ago, divica said: Actually novak's and nadal's peak was basically at the same time and Novak completly owned Nadal everywhere except clay. After fed stopped being number 1 Novak defeated Nadal close to 10 times in a row... On the other hand Nadal once or twice appeared on hardcourts serving really well and crushed his adversaries. However it is a really rare event... Novak and fed are much more consistent on all surfaces than Nadal. No they didn't. Nadal peaked young while Novak peaked later. And Nadal wrecked him on all surfaces until Novak hit his stride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 We might have a game on our hands... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CityApache Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Wow, Bautista Agut plays incredibly since second set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: No they didn't. Nadal peaked young while Novak peaked later. And Nadal wrecked him on all surfaces until Novak hit his stride. Look at the previous posts. Nadal peaked in 2010 and Novak in 2011 where he destroyed Nadal about 10 times in a row Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 minute ago, divica said: Look at the previous posts. Nadal peaked in 2010 and Novak in 2011 where he destroyed Nadal about 10 times in a row Lol no. He peaked out in 2010. His run was 2008-10. Then he began to fade as Novak went insane for a year and a half. Nadal has been peaks and valleys in the years after, but he was king during that stretch of time. Honestly speaking, it’s just hard to adjust to this new math, because previously players had short runs and then they were done. What the big three have done is astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Just now, Tywin et al. said: Lol no. He peaked out in 2010. His run was 2008-10. Then he began to fade as Novak went insane for a year and a half. Nadal has been peaks and valleys in the years after, but he was king during that stretch of time. Honestly speaking, it’s just hard to adjust to this new math, because previously players had short runs and then they were done. What the big three have done is astonishing. In 2009 Nadal lost RL for the first time... He barely saved his season by winning the AO. He wasn t king of anything in 2009. Even in 2008 he only won 2 slams... Compared to 2010 where he won 3 slams that is his best year. And it didn t continue in 2011 because Novak beat Nadal in Every tournament except Clay (and I am not sure if he didn t defeat Nadal in minor clay tournaments) . I Don t have the statistics but in 2011 Nadal was at his peak and went to a lot of finals that he lost to Novak. I think that it is unfair to say that Novak didn t destroy Nadal at his peak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, divica said: In 2009 Nadal lost RL for the first time... He barely saved his season by winning the AO. He wasn t king of anything in 2009. Even in 2008 he only won 2 slams... Compared to 2010 where he won 3 slams that is his best year. And it didn t continue in 2011 because Novak beat Nadal in Every tournament except Clay (and I am not sure if he didn t defeat Nadal in minor clay tournaments) . I Don t have the statistics but in 2011 Nadal was at his peak and went to a lot of finals that he lost to Novak. I think that it is unfair to say that Novak didn t destroy Nadal at his peak... Historically all-time greats have short runs of pure dominance. Nadal won a third of his slams over that three year run. Novak is kid of odd because he had two runs, in which he won 8 slams split between two year and half runs. What throws the math off is that these three dudes have had insane longevity. Murray is the normal tennis star. Fed, Nadal and Novak are something else. They are unprecedented. And on that note, Novak has regained control of the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CityApache Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: And on that note, Novak has regained control of the match. I wouldn't be entirely sure, he just had to defend two break points. Agut may still have some fuel in his tank i think. If not in the third, then maybe in the fourth set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Historically all-time greats have short runs of pure dominance. Nadal won a third of his slams over that three year run. Novak is kid of odd because he had two runs, in which he won 8 slams split between two year and half runs. What throws the math off is that these three dudes have had insane longevity. Murray is the normal tennis star. Fed, Nadal and Novak are something else. They are unprecedented. And on that note, Novak has regained control of the match. On that I agree. Federer is also kind of normal where he had his period of dominance. The difference was that it lasted 4 years. Novak is in his third period of dominance... It is really weird. Nadal besides being the best ever on clay can t be compared to Novak or Federer... Novak's last year is equal to the best year of nadal's and it only happened once for Nadal... Novak did it 3 times? It is completly different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 32 minutes ago, 3CityApache said: I wouldn't be entirely sure, he just had to defend two break points. Agut may still have some fuel in his tank i think. If not in the third, then maybe in the fourth set. You were saying? 29 minutes ago, divica said: On that I agree. Federer is also kind of normal where he had his period of dominance. The difference was that it lasted 4 years. Novak is in his third period of dominance... It is really weird. Nadal besides being the best ever on clay can t be compared to Novak or Federer... Novak's last year is equal to the best year of nadal's and it only happened once for Nadal... Novak did it 3 times? It is completly different... I think the counter argument for Nadal would be that he owned his surface while the others didn’t, but other than that I agree. Honestly I expected Novak to blow past both of them, but that’s in part because he rose as they fell. The fact that Feds and Nadal and re-risen is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 48 minutes ago, divica said: On that I agree. Federer is also kind of normal where he had his period of dominance. The difference was that it lasted 4 years. Novak is in his third period of dominance... It is really weird. Nadal besides being the best ever on clay can t be compared to Novak or Federer... Novak's last year is equal to the best year of nadal's and it only happened once for Nadal... Novak did it 3 times? It is completly different... I think in terms of peaks we also need to consider rankings rather than just Grand Slams. Between late 2008 to mid 2011, Nadal was No. 1 for over 100 weeks (having displaced Federer), much of it in a long consecutive block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 What is this rivalry the media keeps going on about? Federer was dominant before Nadal completed his rise, but in the 2008 Wimbledon final Nadal broke Roger’s hold and from then the rivalry was no longer an equal contest. It was Nadal on top and Roger second. Except when Nadal was injured. So I feel Roger is riding on a reputation from pre-2008. And each time the world hopes that he will turn back time and finally beat Nadal again, to make the “rivalry” worthy of the name. But somehow he never quite manages to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudfeet Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Free Northman Reborn said: What is this rivalry the media keeps going on about? Federer was dominant before Nadal completed his rise, but in the 2008 Wimbledon final Nadal broke Roger’s hold and from then rivalry was no longer an equal contest. It was Nadal on top and Roger second. Except when Nadal was injured. So I feel Roger is riding on a reputation from pre-2008. And each time the world hopes that he will turn back time and finally beat Nadal again, to make the “rivalry” worthy of the name. But somehow he never quite manages to do so. Except when he manages to. But somehow you manage to forget those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, Jeor said: I think in terms of peaks we also need to consider rankings rather than just Grand Slams. Between late 2008 to mid 2011, Nadal was No. 1 for over 100 weeks (having displaced Federer), much of it in a long consecutive block. Federer was number 1 in 2009 during a year... And Federer has the longest consecutive a total amount as number 1. However Novak might beat him in longest time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Proudfeet said: Except when he manages to. But somehow you manage to forget those. I think that basically Nadal owns Federer on clay and on other surfaces Federer has a slight advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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