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3 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

There can always be problems with settling in a new team but he settled at Arsenal much better. 

He never really settled at Arsenal. Bloke had at least three dressing room fist-fights (that we know of), and was generally regarded as a berk of the highest order.

Haven't listened yet, but Rafa Honigstein apparently has a bit to say about it on this week's Totally Football podcast

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3 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

He's been shite at Arsenal this season as well. At least part of it is some kind of attitude issue, though he's not lacking workrate and he shouldn't hate his new team-mates yet so I can't quite figure out what it would be to affect his football like this.

It might be nothing more than Chile's failure to qualify for the WC, hence the Arshavin comparison.

Or maybe he wishes he'd not been a complete idiot, and signed for Pep instead of Mourinho.

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7 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

He never really settled at Arsenal. Bloke had at least three dressing room fist-fights (that we know of), and was generally regarded as a berk of the highest order.

Haven't listened yet, but Rafa Honigstein apparently has a bit to say about it on this week's Totally Football podcast

Yea, think mentioned within that podcast, which I haven't listened to, was that his work rate was a bit of a facade. He consistently ran the least on the team and while the waving of his arms and his occasional trackback tackle looked good, he didn't do a whole lot of work himself. Oh and that everyone in the Arsenal room hated him.

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Mourinho's now firing shots at the club:
 

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I’ve sat in this chair twice before with Porto, Manchester United out, and Real Madrid, Manchester United out, so I don’t think it’s anything new for the club,

 



Just fucking sack him now, please?

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22 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

Just fucking sack him now, please?

Please refrain until Wenger's replacement is in situ. That is all.

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37 minutes ago, Mexal said:

Yea, think mentioned within that podcast, which I haven't listened to, was that his work rate was a bit of a facade. He consistently ran the least on the team and while the waving of his arms and his occasional trackback tackle looked good, he didn't do a whole lot of work himself. Oh and that everyone in the Arsenal room hated him.

Even his dogs hate him now.

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Frank de Boer: "Mourinho might say I'm the worst manager in Premier League history, but tonight he's a manager who has spent nearly £1bn in his career and his teams play like that."

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If only Frank de Boer's football management skills were as good as his retorts, he wouldn't have failed so miserably at Inter and Palace. 

And if Mourinho's attacking system was as sharp as his tongue, we wouldn't be 16 points behind City and knocked out of the CL by an average Sevilla side. Right now he's just a press conference manager. 

 

10 hours ago, polishgenius said:

Mourinho's now firing shots at the club:

Just fucking sack him now, please?

Bayern managed to coax Heynckes out of retirement; how I wish we could do the same with Ferguson. Fergie with this squad would be challenging for the league, no question. 

 

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He's been shite at Arsenal this season as well. At least part of it is some kind of attitude issue, though he's not lacking workrate and he shouldn't hate his new team-mates yet so I can't quite figure out what it would be to affect his football like this.

I think part of the problem is that our so called 'system' doesn't do attacking players any favours. Even Pogba has started to struggle and actually Lukaku is the only attacker who has consistently looked good for a while now. Another issue is that Mourinho only signed Sanchez so City wouldn't get him but he has no idea how to use him. In fact after the better part of two seasons in charge, Mourinho still looks like he has no idea what our best formation and combination of players are and so keeps chopping and changing both which further affects the rhythm of the team. 

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16 minutes ago, Consigliere said:

Bayern managed to coax Heynckes out of retirement; how I wish we could do the same with Ferguson. Fergie with this squad would be challenging for the league, no question.

I doubt it. They'd probably be better but City are on course for a record points total. There haven't been many teams in Premier League history, including most of Ferguson's United teams, who'd be close to City this year.

I get the irritation with Mourinho but, keeping some perspective, United's league season is probably going to end up with a perfectly respectable points total, it's just that City have been excellent.

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10 minutes ago, ljkeane said:

I doubt it. They'd probably be better but City are on course for a record points total. There haven't been many teams in Premier League history, including most of Ferguson's United teams, who'd be close to City this year.

I get the irritation with Mourinho but, keeping some perspective, United's league season is probably going to end up with a perfectly respectable points total, it's just that City have been excellent.

City would probably win anyway but the league would not have been done and dusted by December. And going forward, City aren't going to keep on having record breaking seasons but with Mourinho's negativity and all round sourness there is small hope of ever closing the gap on City. Spurs and Liverpool are much better placed to do so. You can see that the United players aren't enjoying themselves out there.

I mentioned this before. Mourinho can only take us so far. His ultra negative tactics ensures that the full potential of the side can never be realised. The only saving grace of having Mourinho is that he still has pull in the transfer market and can assemble a strong squad. After that he can fuck off. 

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7 minutes ago, Consigliere said:

City would probably win anyway but the league would not have been done and dusted by December.

Maybe not but I'm reasonably confident that the title race would be well over by now.

538 with their football predictions have United finishing on 80 pts from here and, honestly, I think that's about this United squad's level. I get not liking Mourinho and how he sets out to play but I don't think they're underperforming in the league.

You could certainly get a manager in who'd play a more attractive style and it's possible there are some managers who might get the team to produce more than the sum of it's parts. Having said that, thinking about it, the only side in Premier League history I think who might have actually challenged City for the title this year was Mourinho's Chelsea side when he first came to England.

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9 minutes ago, ljkeane said:

Maybe not but I'm reasonably confident that the title race would be well over by now.

538 with their football predictions have United finishing on 80 pts from here and, honestly, I think that's about this United squad's level. I get not liking Mourinho and how he sets out to play but I don't think they're underperforming in the league.

You could certainly get a manager in who'd play a more attractive style and it's possible there are some managers who might get the team to produce more than the sum of it's parts. Having said that, thinking about it, the only side in Premier League history I think who might have actually challenged City for the title this year was Mourinho's Chelsea side when he first came to England.

Ferguson's 2007/2008 side could have challenged as well.

Yeah, we are getting results in the league this season but I don't consider the negative style to be sustainable - look at our poor chance creation, the number of chances we concede and the number of saves DDG has to make compared to others in the top 5 or 6. The only difference between this season and last is that we have been a bit more clinical in front of goal this season. The football remains dire and the brilliance of DDG has once again won us 10-15 points. It's a fine line between 2nd and 5th/6th for us.

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Question from a neophyte observer on Man United and Ferguson:  Does the presence of Ferguson at Old Trafford on a consistent basis not allow the club to move away from his long shadow?

I ask because it seems every game shown here in the U.S. has at least a token shot of Ferguson taking in the game from the stands. I'm not a Man United fan or anything, but just curious how supporters feel about the continued presence of a legend affects the way the club is run and managed.

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3 hours ago, Consigliere said:

Yeah, we are getting results in the league this season but I don't consider the negative style to be sustainable - look at our poor chance creation, the number of chances we concede and the number of saves DDG has to make compared to others in the top 5 or 6. The only difference between this season and last is that we have been a bit more clinical in front of goal this season. The football remains dire and the brilliance of DDG has once again won us 10-15 points. It's a fine line between 2nd and 5th/6th for us.

I think this is key.  Utd’s points haul is very good relative to their play, especially compared to the expected net goals from the number of good chances they create minus the number of good chances they concede.  You can point to that efficiency as the mark of good management that emphasizes focus in the critical moments without caring too much about the non-critical moments.  Or you can view it as being at risk of mean reversion, especially if a goalkeeper or key goal scorer lose form, get injured or depart. 

If I’m being fair, I think it’s some of both.  DDG is worth a lot of points to Utd while their win margins are so narrow, but he’s unlikely to lose form.  The big risk is his departure.  Utd struggled for consistent goal scoring but Lingard (especially), Rashford and Martial have all had games where they scored from few chances and helped with that efficiency.  So there’s something in the team culture that helps focus on taking chances but that limits their creation — and the two might be connected: knowing that chances are limited might sharpen your focus on the shots you get.  

Another factor is that this year the bottom 13 clubs are very weak.  Not losing to the top 6 (where Liverpool are struggling this year) and dominating weak teams is a good strategy this year.  But if there were 5-6 more teams with overall form like Burnley, then United would probably have picked up fewer wins.  The collapse of the mid table teams this year has helped them.  I don’t know if that will change quickly but I would expect that spending power in the PL should make the mid table teams better eventually as they take talent — both playing and managerial — from continental clubs. 

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5 hours ago, Consigliere said:

City aren't going to keep on having record breaking seasons

OH you sweet summer child, as long as Guardiola wants to stay at City they're gonna be bossing the league. It took him a year to get his team playing the way he wants, now you can just lean back and enjoy the show.

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2 minutes ago, Notone said:

OH you sweet summer child, as long as Guardiola wants to stay at City they're gonna be bossing the league. It took him a year to get his team playing the way he wants, now you can just lean back and enjoy the show.

Yaa I’m actually kinda worried that they will end up being the Bayern or Juve of the Prem. All the money the rest of the top 6 (and league as a whole) has should help prevent that but idk.

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Pep won't stay at City that long I don't think. Managing takes too much out of him. He said he wouldn't stay beyond 3 years but I suspect he might sign a contract extending that to 5 years. After that I reckon he'll have another self-imposed break before deciding what to do next. City will try as hard as possible to get him to stay and create a dynasty but I can't see that happening.

Once City accept that he won't stay that long they will probably try to groom a replacement from within to continue the Pep style but the honest truth of it is that nobody can quite so effectively play that way.

In short, City won't dominate for that long.

Also, to be fair the Premier League is the hardest to retain the crown. Pep is more likely than anyone to win it back-to-back for the first time in ten years but he still needs to prove that.

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3 hours ago, The Wedge said:

Question from a neophyte observer on Man United and Ferguson:  Does the presence of Ferguson at Old Trafford on a consistent basis not allow the club to move away from his long shadow?

I ask because it seems every game shown here in the U.S. has at least a token shot of Ferguson taking in the game from the stands. I'm not a Man United fan or anything, but just curious how supporters feel about the continued presence of a legend affects the way the club is run and managed.

I can't figure how the presence of Sir Alex in the stands could affect anything. If I were a Utd player at the moment, playing at home ground under the eyes of the man who made the club what he is would rather be an extra motivation, I assume, than a hurdle. 

No, I think the problem is elsewhere. Man Utd's board has either #1 to give full cards to José and let him build the exact squad he needs, or #2 to sack him of this summer and build out something new with a manager who isn't reluctant to play proper football.

Awkwardly, I can't see #2 happening.

 

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23 minutes ago, Notone said:

OH you sweet summer child, as long as Guardiola wants to stay at City they're gonna be bossing the league. It took him a year to get his team playing the way he wants, now you can just lean back and enjoy the show.

We'll see. Liverpool should have significant funds and many of their issues can be solved by better players in key positions. They already have an excellent system in place (one that has proven to be successful against Guardiola's system). Spurs have a settled side and a great system as well. This is why I mentioned previously that those two clubs are best positioned to close the gap on City.

United have money but no proper playing system in place. Sometimes we look good but 80% of the time it's a grind with no discernible attacking system and hoofball. Chelsea's transfer policy has been odd and if they end up losing Hazard and/or Courtois, it would be difficult to replace that quality. The cost of a new stadium would impact their spending ability as well but they still have a strong squad. If Arsenal finally get rid of Wenger they could be a force again especially if they appoint someone like Allegri who can sort out their defence.

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18 minutes ago, Sandokan I Ironborn said:

No, I think the problem is elsewhere. Man Utd's board has either #1 to give full cards to José and let him build the exact squad he needs, or #2 to sack him of this summer and build out something new with a manager who isn't reluctant to play proper football.

Awkwardly, I can't see #2 happening.

 

United's board has already given 'full cards' to Mourinho. The only target Woodward failed to sign was Perisic and I don't think he would have helped much anyway since he would have limited the playing time of both Martial and Rashford who have both been very good for us at various points. It's not like Perisic is lighting it up in Serie A this season either. We couldn't reach an agreement for Morata but got Lukaku instead who is hardly a downgrade. The problem is with Mourinho. It's not only players who decline; Mourinho is not the manager he once was. 

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