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7 hours ago, Kajjo said:

How so? Each sword is unique. Melting and reforging does not bring back old entities.

Well, yes, maybe he reforges Heartsbane into two swords and works any other Valyrian steel? 

Except yes, it does. Not unlike restoring an old car. 

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19 hours ago, Error-504 said:

A lot was made of Gendry, and his apprenticeship with the only blacksmith that could work Valyrian steel, it had to be for a reason. 

But it is quite unlikely that Gendry ever actually worked with Valyrian steel. He was already on the run when Tywin had Ice split into WW and Oathkeeper by Tobho Mott and VS weapons usually don't get modified.

Tobho being able to work VS was already quite the plot convenience imho, Gendry having that skill would feel like straight up cheating by the writer(s), although at least the show most likely wouldn't care making that logical leap.

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Speculation on several ways the story could tie it back in:

Sam could give it to Tormund because Randyll hated wildlings so much. Giantsbane, wielder of Heartsbane!

Sam could execute Dany with it after she burns down King's Landing. What goes around comes around.

Sam could kill the Night King with it.

Sam could keep it as part of his authority once he becomes Warden of the South, and just be satisfied that he got everything his father didn't want him to have.

 

 

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On 2/14/2019 at 12:29 AM, Error-504 said:

Except yes, it does. Not unlike restoring an old car. 

How do you know? Any real evidence or just you thought?

 

On 2/14/2019 at 2:03 PM, Rose of Red Lake said:

Sam could give it to Tormund

Yes, the Hound or Tormund could wield Heartsbane.

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On 2/14/2019 at 5:41 AM, Rhollo said:

But it is quite unlikely that Gendry ever actually worked with Valyrian steel. He was already on the run when Tywin had Ice split into WW and Oathkeeper by Tobho Mott and VS weapons usually don't get modified.

Tobho being able to work VS was already quite the plot convenience imho, Gendry having that skill would feel like straight up cheating by the writer(s), although at least the show most likely wouldn't care making that logical leap.

Why is this? Do you think Tobho would take the secret of reworking Valyarain steel to the grave with him? Gendry wasn't just any apprentice, he was Tobho's favorite apprentice. Such much so that Tobho went out of his way to secure his safety by sending him to the night's watch, making him untouchable to Cersei's grasp. It's not a stretch to think Tobho would have shared some of his best secrets with Gendry. 

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4 hours ago, Kajjo said:

How do you know? Any real evidence or just you thought?

 

 

It's like having your fathers ashes in an urn. Then the ashes get separated, placed in two urns and each urn is moved to a separate location. Then after several years, you get possession of both urns back, wouldn't you put the ashes together again, and still see them as your father's ashes?

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On 2/18/2019 at 10:39 PM, Error-504 said:

It's like having your fathers ashes in an urn. Then the ashes get separated, placed in two urns and each urn is moved to a separate location. Then after several years, you get possession of both urns back, wouldn't you put the ashes together again, and still see them as your father's ashes?

Are you serious? This ist just nonsense.

You like comparisons, so think about this: You had a favorite teddy bear as child. The bear gets ground to pieces, two little bears are woven from them and used. After a while, the two bears are ground to pieces and a teddy bear resembling your old one is made. Is this the same or a different one?!

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3 hours ago, Kajjo said:

Are you serious? This ist just nonsense.

You like comparisons, so think about this: You had a favorite teddy bear as child. The bear gets ground to pieces, two little bears are woven from them and used. After a while, the two bears are ground to pieces and a teddy bear resembling your old one is made. Is this the same or a different one?!

It's the same. 

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On 2/18/2019 at 10:34 PM, Error-504 said:

Why is this? Do you think Tobho would take the secret of reworking Valyarain steel to the grave with him? Gendry wasn't just any apprentice, he was Tobho's favorite apprentice. Such much so that Tobho went out of his way to secure his safety by sending him to the night's watch, making him untouchable to Cersei's grasp. It's not a stretch to think Tobho would have shared some of his best secrets with Gendry. 

He might have shared the knowledge, but you can't really learn a craft just in theory, you have to practice it and there is no valyrian steel just laying around to train on.

As I said, if Gendry was still Tobho's apprentice while he forged Oathkeeper and Widows wail for Tywin, he might be able to repeat/reverse that procedure. He would still need to be a really, really, really gifted blacksmith to pull it off first try on his own, but I could buy it in a TV series.

But alas, he was already gone at that point. So to me, this would feel about as ridiculous as Sam curing Jorahs greyscale.

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Same cured Jorah of greyscale by simply following directions in that book he found. Gentry on the other hand probably could work valyerian steel but he has no such book to follow like Sam did

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11 hours ago, Rhollo said:

He might have shared the knowledge, but you can't really learn a craft just in theory, you have to practice it and there is no valyrian steel just laying around to train on.

As I said, if Gendry was still Tobho's apprentice while he forged Oathkeeper and Widows wail for Tywin, he might be able to repeat/reverse that procedure. He would still need to be a really, really, really gifted blacksmith to pull it off first try on his own, but I could buy it in a TV series.

But alas, he was already gone at that point. So to me, this would feel about as ridiculous as Sam curing Jorahs greyscale.

It all depends, perhaps all it takes to work Valyrian steel is a oven hot enough, in which case not that big a deal. Also, who is to say he (tobho) didn't have valyrian steel of his own, or perhaps someone else other than Tywin approached him while Gendry was still there. Plenty of Valyrian swords unaccounted for in Westeros. 

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On 2/25/2019 at 11:24 PM, Error-504 said:

It all depends, perhaps all it takes to work Valyrian steel is a oven hot enough, in which case not that big a deal. Also, who is to say he (tobho) didn't have valyrian steel of his own, or perhaps someone else other than Tywin approached him while Gendry was still there. Plenty of Valyrian swords unaccounted for in Westeros. 

Valyrian swords are canonically neither plenty nor unaccounted for. They are priceless artifacts, so rare and expensive that not even Tywin was able to buy one. Even ones that were lost decades or centuries ago are still remembered.

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The newest trailer seems to show Jorah Mormont carrying Heartsbane (while riding his horse). At least it looks like it.

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8 hours ago, Rhollo said:

Valyrian swords are canonically neither plenty nor unaccounted for. They are priceless artifacts, so rare and expensive that not even Tywin was able to buy one. Even ones that were lost decades or centuries ago are still remembered.

Never stated they were cheap, but,  In A Storm of Swords, Tyrion thinks to himself, "Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone,"

 

1) Bright roar

2) Blackfyre

3) Dark Sister

4) Lamentation

5) Orphan Maker

6) Vigilance

7) Truth

Chances are that a lot of these Swords were not really lost, but sold or stolen and reforged, and circulate in the blackmarket. Kind of like how the Dagger just mysteriously appeared. 

Edited by Error-504

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Posted (edited)

According to the trailer analysis of Alt+Shift+X, Jorah Mormont is in possesion of Heartsbane. It can be seen in a very short time in the trailer. I am not sure about that, since even if you stopped the video, you could not perfectly see that it was Heartsbane. It could have also been another regular sword. 

Edited by T and A

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