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1 hour ago, Simon Steele said:

I'm probably not going to watch it, but I liked it when I was a kid. When it left off, it was in a mess of maybe this happened, and maybe that happened. I think Dan was dead, they were millionaires from the lottery, or they weren't, and Roseanne was a writer writing the whole thing? Do they ignore the last season or 2? Do they still have two Beckies? YOU HAVE TO TELL ME! Because...I'm not going to watch. The new X Files has been too hard on me.

Season 9 was all part of a book Roseanne wrote but never got published. The winning the lottery plot, becoming millionaires, Dan dying, the other changes Roseanne made in the finale, all that never really happened in actual series continuity.

Everything up to the end of season 8 did happen.
 

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Dan's alive and kicking. 

Darlene and David are divorced. Johnny Galecki (David) has not shown up in the show but I hear will make an appearance eventually. Darlene has lost her job and has moved back home with her parents bringing her daughter Harris and son Mark with her. I don't know if you watch Showtime's Shameless series but Harris is being played by the actress who plays Debbie in that. She actually does bear a good resemblance to Sara Gilbert.

Harris and Mark are adjusting to living in their grandparents' house and starting a new school (Darlene's former one). Mark's adjustment being more difficult as he feels most comfortable wearing makeup and more feminine attire including dresses sometimes, and being more feminine in general. When asked, he says he feels like he's a boy, he's just a boy that likes things that are usually more for girls. Dan, originally uncomfortable about this has gained a lot of respect and pride for his grandson after seeing that Mark is well aware that his life would be easier for himself at school and everywhere else if he just conformed to established gender roles and stereotypes but he refuses to give up on being himself.

Harris so far is really playing Darlene 2.0., just being like Darlene was at that age.

Original Becky is playing Becky. She and her husband Mark never had kids but a woman, Becky # 2 (Sarah Chalke) is paying her to be surrogate mother, actual more than that as she needs Becky's eggs too. So both Becky actresses are in it. Becky's husband Mark is supposedly dead, I guess that's why Darlene named her son after him to honor him. I've heard rumors that Mark is actually alive though and faked his death, though none of that has played out yet in just the two episodes I watched. I can see it though with the type of no class character Mark was and how he might feel the only way to truly ever be free of the Connors is for them to think he's dead.

D.J. had joined the military and served in the Syria and has only recently been discharged. His wife is also military and still over seas. They are a mixed race couple and have a daughter. Becky and D.J. (along with his daughter) have separate residences nearby and are often visiting at the Connor's house.

Gerry, the baby Roseanne and Dan had in season 7 or 8 is mentioned but not seen. He has a boat that he and Dan restored together and seems to spend all his time on it.

I haven't heard anything about Andy, Jackie's son. Maybe he'll show up in later episodes.

Jackie and Roseanne are feuding. In the 2016 election Roseanne supported Trump and Jackie Supported Hillary. Roseanne's being overbearing and bullying towards Jackie, as she always was their entire lives, reached a head. During the entire election her constant berating made Jackie unsure of herself and she ended up voting for Jill Stein. After Trump won, she felt incredibly guilty for not voting for Clinton and very, very angry at Roseanne for making her second guess herself. They've not spoken to each other since. Upon coming home Darlene took it upon herself to mend the relationship between her mother and aunt. She's got them talking again and Jackie coming back over to the house again like she used to, making some overtures towards forgiving each other, and I guess the rest of the season will have a theme of them coming to terms with them now holding different political ideologies.
 

 

And that's my gathering of the show so far.

 

 

ETA:

You know despite being disappointed in Roseanne Barr’s recent political opinions I was able to separate that from my judgement of the show. Since the beginning of her show I never really cared for her, thinking she was a pretty irritating person, but also always thought she was behind a show that while not one of my favorites, for the most part was good enough to watch and had some good people behind and in front of it.

I actually thought it was quite clever and possibly useful in the revival’s portrayal of modern America interpreted through the format of an 80’s/90’s style sitcom.

But she’s really making it difficult for me to keep separating art from artist. Roseanne the person has every right to express her own opinions, but they’ve been increasingly disgusting. I also can’t determine if she’s being genuine or not. She’s got talent but she’s also pretty crazy. I always thought half the stuff she did during the original run of the series were attempts at trolling the right, now I’m wondering if she’s decided to troll the left.

Either way, I wish she’d cut it out.

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1 hour ago, drawkcabi said:

Season 9 was all part of a book Roseanne wrote but never got published. The winning the lottery plot, becoming millionaires, Dan dying, the other changes Roseanne made in the finale, all that never really happened in actual series continuity.

Everything up to the end of season 8 did happen.
 

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Dan's alive and kicking. 

Darlene and David are divorced. Johnny Galecki (David) has not shown up in the show but I hear will make an appearance eventually. Darlene has lost her job and has moved back home with her parents bringing her daughter Harris and son Mark with her. I don't know if you watch Showtime's Shameless series but Harris is being played by the actress who plays Debbie in that. She actually does bear a good resemblance to Sara Gilbert.

Harris and Mark are adjusting to living in their grandparents' house and starting a new school (Darlene's former one). Mark's adjustment being more difficult as he feels most comfortable wearing makeup and more feminine attire including dresses sometimes, and being more feminine in general. When asked, he says he feels like he's a boy, he's just a boy that likes things that are usually more for girls. Dan, originally uncomfortable about this has gained a lot of respect and pride for his grandson after seeing that Mark is well aware that his life would be easier for himself at school and everywhere else if he just conformed to established gender roles and stereotypes but he refuses to give up on being himself.

Harris so far is really playing Darlene 2.0., just being like Darlene was at that age.

Original Becky is playing Becky. She and her husband Mark never had kids but a woman, Becky # 2 (Sarah Chalke) is paying her to be surrogate mother, actual more than that as she needs Becky's eggs too. So both Becky actresses are in it. Becky's husband Mark is supposedly dead, I guess that's why Darlene named her son after him to honor him. I've heard rumors that Mark is actually alive though and faked his death, though none of that has played out yet in just the two episodes I watched. I can see it though with the type of no class character Mark was and how he might feel the only way to truly ever be free of the Connors is for them to think he's dead.

D.J. had joined the military and served in the Syria and has only recently been discharged. His wife is also military and still over seas. They are a mixed race couple and have a daughter. Becky and D.J. (along with his daughter) have separate residences nearby and are often visiting at the Connor's house.

Gerry, the baby Roseanne and Dan had in season 7 or 8 is mentioned but not seen. He has a boat that he and Dan restored together and seems to spend all his time on it.

I haven't heard anything about Andy, Jackie's son. Maybe he'll show up in later episodes.

Jackie and Roseanne are feuding. In the 2016 election Roseanne supported Trump and Jackie Supported Hillary. Roseanne's being overbearing and bullying towards Jackie, as she always was their entire lives, reached a head. During the entire election her constant berating made Jackie unsure of herself and she ended up voting for Jill Stein. After Trump won, she felt incredibly guilty for not voting for Clinton and very, very angry at Roseanne for making her second guess herself. They've not spoken to each other since. Upon coming home Darlene took it upon herself to mend the relationship between her mother and aunt. She's got them talking again and Jackie coming back over to the house again like she used to, making some overtures towards forgiving each other, and I guess the rest of the season will have a theme of them coming to terms with them now holding different political ideologies.
 

 

And that's my gathering of the show so far.

 

 

ETA:

You know despite being disappointed in Roseanne Barr’s recent political opinions I was able to separate that from my judgement of the show. Since the beginning of her show I never really cared for her, thinking she was a pretty irritating person, but also always thought she was behind a show that while not one of my favorites, for the most part was good enough to watch and had some good people behind and in front of it.

I actually thought it was quite clever and possibly useful in the revival’s portrayal of modern America interpreted through the format of an 80’s/90’s style sitcom.

But she’s really making it difficult for me to keep separating art from artist. Roseanne the person has every right to express her own opinions, but they’ve been increasingly disgusting. I also can’t determine if she’s being genuine or not. She’s got talent but she’s also pretty crazy. I always thought half the stuff she did during the original run of the series were attempts at trolling the right, now I’m wondering if she’s decided to troll the left.

Either way, I wish she’d cut it out.

Interesting...

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With Mark, the real life actor died. Glenn Quinn, I think his name was. I was a big Angel fan too, and his character was great in that, and I don't remember the order of events, but his real life death happened while Angel was still on the air--though his drug abuse habits may have forced him off the show by then. I think it's actually pretty nice/sweet they gave him a namesake in the show. From what I understand, people who worked with him genuinely liked him and thought he was a wonderful guy who just couldn't get out from beneath heroin. It's really sad.

I was never a big fan of Roseanne as a person. I liked her outspoken, abrasiveness, but it never felt genuine, I guess. Her political opinions don't really matter to me, and supporting her is not supporting Trump as some would argue. I think people worry about this kind of shit too much, and they need to quit worrying about it. Kumail Nanjiani's Twitter responses to Sarah Silverman (who said she enjoyed the new Roseanne) felt really like a ton of bullshit. Trump's presidency feels like life and death to me too--I literally fear for my son's future, but not because people like Roseanne support him. A real cognitive dissonance exists in this kind of argument.

Ultimately, though, Roseanne's show is such an interesting take on working class Republican ideology, you know? Families who slave away, men like Dan who abhor and resent any help from anyone, and if they're Republican they would vote for people who continue to reinforce these beliefs, yet, support ways to dry up any reasonable work that working class people might find in their hometowns. Dan's attempts to open his own business failing is just so real. Of course that's the old Roseanne.

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20 minutes ago, Simon Steele said:

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With Mark, the real life actor died. Glenn Quinn, I think his name was. I was a big Angel fan too, and his character was great in that, and I don't remember the order of events, but his real life death happened while Angel was still on the air--though his drug abuse habits may have forced him off the show by then. I think it's actually pretty nice/sweet they gave him a namesake in the show. From what I understand, people who worked with him genuinely liked him and thought he was a wonderful guy who just couldn't get out from beneath heroin. It's really sad.

I was never a big fan of Roseanne as a person. I liked her outspoken, abrasiveness, but it never felt genuine, I guess. Her political opinions don't really matter to me, and supporting her is not supporting Trump as some would argue. I think people worry about this kind of shit too much, and they need to quit worrying about it. Kumail Nanjiani's Twitter responses to Sarah Silverman (who said she enjoyed the new Roseanne) felt really like a ton of bullshit. Trump's presidency feels like life and death to me too--I literally fear for my son's future, but not because people like Roseanne support him. A real cognitive dissonance exists in this kind of argument.

Ultimately, though, Roseanne's show is such an interesting take on working class Republican ideology, you know? Families who slave away, men like Dan who abhor and resent any help from anyone, and if they're Republican they would vote for people who continue to reinforce these beliefs, yet, support ways to dry up any reasonable work that working class people might find in their hometowns. Dan's attempts to open his own business failing is just so real. Of course that's the old Roseanne.

I couldn't agree with you more on all that. I won't judge anyone badly who explains how they like a certain work even if the person responsible is known to be a less than stellar individual.

For the most part I can do this too. Sometimes people just go too far, like Orson Scott Card, that even if I tried I couldn't enjoy re-reading Ender's Game even though I loved that book and won't go near any new stuff he writes even when it's the more recent Ender stories he's done. But I'd never reprimand anyone who says while they disagree with and/or dislike Card they still enjoy reading his books.

I think the show is doing something interesting, it's just for me Roseanne's antics push me towards not wanting to support her work though I'm not at that point just yet. She's always seemed like someone who makes everything about her and a lot of the times her actions ring phony.


 

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I didn't know about Glenn Quinn's passing. That is sad and I guess the rumors I heard were wrong.

 

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1 hour ago, drawkcabi said:

I couldn't agree with you more on all that. I won't judge anyone badly who explains how they like a certain work even if the person responsible is known to be a less than stellar individual.

For the most part I can do this too. Sometimes people just go too far, like Orson Scott Card, that even if I tried I couldn't enjoy re-reading Ender's Game even though I loved that book and won't go near any new stuff he writes even when it's the more recent Ender stories he's done. But I'd never reprimand anyone who says while they disagree with and/or dislike Card they still enjoy reading his books.

I think the show is doing something interesting, it's just for me Roseanne's antics push me towards not wanting to support her work though I'm not at that point just yet. She's always seemed like someone who makes everything about her and a lot of the times her actions ring phony.


 

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I didn't know about Glenn Quinn's passing. That is sad and I guess the rumors I heard were wrong.

 

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It's sad--he was a talented guy, and no doubt would've been great in this restart. I probably would've watched it--so great he was on Angel.

 

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Currently working my way through Weeds, up to season 6, the quality of each series fluctuates up and down more than any other program i can think of.  

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2 series on Netflix are my latest views.

Binged through the 2nd season of Occupied (Norwegian) and it was very good like the first, hoping they will do a third season of that maybe?

Also I have now joined the rather large group of fans for Gomorra (Italy). I mmediately binged the first 10 episodes and am all in to view the 2 seasons available in my region.

Both of these series I rate far above average, good stuff.

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46 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

2 series on Netflix are my latest views.

Binged through the 2nd season of Occupied (Norwegian) and it was very good like the first, hoping they will do a third season of that maybe?

Also I have now joined the rather large group of fans for Gomorra (Italy). I mmediately binged the first 10 episodes and am all in to view the 2 seasons available in my region.

Both of these series I rate far above average, good stuff.

Gomorrah is the best current series imo and holds its own against some of the best series ever.

I watched Good Time last night. Robert Pattinson was very good in it as a despicable, small-time hood trying to get bail money any way possible for his mentally handicapped brother. Other than the Twilight series, I've liked most of Pattinson's work.

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I finished Sneaky Pete S1.  Very good and highly recommended for anyone who likes stories about con men or grifters.  The season climax worked hard to maintain suspense and unpredictability for viewers, unfortunately sacrificing some plausibility to do so, but it was a worthwhile trade-off overall.  Then the epilogue provides the set-up for S2.

I was apprehensive initially that this program would be over-played for tension as Pete maintains his central deception with the family, but it was handled well.  The second season has a strong premise to propel the narrative. 

I watched the first episode of Orphan Black.  It’s definitely worth sticking with to see how it develops. 

My wife has finished Hart Of Dixie and has moved on to Glee.  Could our TV/movie tastes be any further apart?

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I’m about halfway through Trailer Park Boys S12. This is definitely one of the funnier seasons since Netflix brought it back. So sad about John Dunsworth though. 

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I watched What We Do in the Shadows, which was good fun, it did have some very funny scenes in it. I liked the contrast between the backstories of the ancient vampires and them all hanging out in suburban New Zealand.

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Alias Grace, from the Margaret Atwood novel.  This production is more than classy, all right.  And, of course, it is so Canadian in treatment and orientation, which has always been something I personally liked about reading Atwood's work.

 

 

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I sometimes like to watch SF shows which involve random shootouts and spacebattles. Preferable a dark setting but not without humor.

 Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis used to scratch that itch. 

I had high hopes for Dark Matter but it was canceled.

The new Star Trek series and The Expanse are fun to watch but not exactly what I want. 

Is there anything else out there? Are there spacebattles in Killjoys? 

 

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1 hour ago, Wolfgang I said:

Is there anything else out there? Are there spacebattles in Killjoys?

Yes, more shootouts than space battles, but last year increased the latter.  I like it.

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1 hour ago, SpaceChampion said:

Yes, more shootouts than space battles, but last year increased the latter.  I like it.

Ah thanks I will give it another try.

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20 hours ago, williamjm said:

I watched What We Do in the Shadows, which was good fun, it did have some very funny scenes in it. I liked the contrast between the backstories of the ancient vampires and them all hanging out in suburban New Zealand.

"I think we drink virgin blood because it sounds cool."
"I think of it like this.  If you are going to eat a sandwich, you would just enjoy it more if you knew no one had fucked it."

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2 hours ago, briantw said:

"I think we drink virgin blood because it sounds cool."
"I think of it like this.  If you are going to eat a sandwich, you would just enjoy it more if you knew no one had fucked it."

"This is what happens when you're a vampire. You have to watch everyone die. Your mother and father. All your friends. Sometimes brutal, like slipping and falling onto a giant spike. Or falling asleep in an autumn pile of leaves and having some of them block your windpipe. Or making the simple mistake of fashioning a mask out of crackers and being attacked by ducks, geese, swans."

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I was looking for something to binge, and I've never seen Sherlock.  Just watched the first episode and think that I may like this one.  

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17 minutes ago, Triskele said:

I was looking for something to binge, and I've never seen Sherlock.  Just watched the first episode and think that I may like this one.  

It is a great pilot episode. The first couple of seasons are very good, although it's sadly gone downhill since then.

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On 4/1/2018 at 4:55 PM, Iskaral Pust said:

My wife has finished Hart Of Dixie and has moved on to Glee.  Could our TV/movie tastes be any further apart?

I was coerced to watch an ep of Dixie with my wife about a year ago. That was the first and last time I will watch that. 

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