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Why didn't Jon Snow legitimize himself? [Season 7 Spoilers?]

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This has been bugging me since last season!

Why is Jon King in the North as a Snow?  I do not understand why he did not use royal proclamation to make himself a Stark.  Is he going to create a new dynasty in Winterfell as the House of Snow?  I struggle with the in-story logic.

I assume that the out-of-story explanation is that they want to make him a Targaryen instead.  But Jon wouldn't know that!

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There is no time for that. 

I saw the Night King. I looked into his eyes! 

....

all joking aside show jon probably gives two shits about this topic with the apocalypse coming

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On 4/7/2018 at 0:36 AM, Euron's Mom said:

This has been bugging me since last season!

Why is Jon King in the North as a Snow?  I do not understand why he did not use royal proclamation to make himself a Stark.  Is he going to create a new dynasty in Winterfell as the House of Snow?  I struggle with the in-story logic.

I assume that the out-of-story explanation is that they want to make him a Targaryen instead.  But Jon wouldn't know that!

Well, I guess that's because it was the other nobles who made him King (and not himself) because they liked him (he didn't want to become one). Of course, those who made him KIng completely ignored Sansa and the true heir, Brandon Stark (that both Sansa and Jon know that he is alive), so it's not that the scene makes sense anyway.

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I guess my question is why should he legitimize himself? He is already King, what more does he need? Legitimizing himself would only mean something if he is no longer King, and if he is no longer King, it's likely because he is dead anyway.

Also in story it makes all the sense in the world. He is King of the North, he is not the Lord of Winterfell, Lady Sansa Stark is (I am sure her previous marriages annulled for you know hostage and rape reasons). If he legitimized himself then he takes it from Sansa and he has said all along he wouldn't take it from his sisters or brothers.

So as King of the North, assuming he lives, he would likey decide on a place to house himself after all was done.

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On ‎4‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 3:38 AM, jcmontea said:

There is no time for that. 

I saw the Night King. I looked into his eyes! 

....

all joking aside show jon probably gives two shits about this topic with the apocalypse coming

LOL You beat me to it!  This joke will NEVER get old, or at least it will never get as old as Jon's frequent reminders of our lack of time and his familiarity with the Night King.

 

Yeah, I agree with most everyone here.  Jon probably isn't even thinking about things like getting married, having and heir, bringing continuity to his kingdom.  He is the fucking worst at kingin'.  I wish the ghost of Bobby B had come back to at least instruct him to (1) not lay down your kingdom to a pretty girl because she asked nicely, and (2) not lay down your kingdom to a pretty girl because she asked nicely.

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I would say there is little reason to legitimize himself right now. Legitimization of bastards usually was done for inheritance purposes, not for the feels. As King, he gets to do whatever he wants anyway. Though, at this point it is unknown if the King in the North title will be transferable to heirs or not.

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Presumably it would. He would set up a new dynasty, with a new house name. The Starks would still be there, he did not take their banner.

A bigger question would be what happened to all of the other more distant family members? Presumably there are a lot of other non-dynastic lines of Starks around, some of who might think they have a better claim to the house name than Jon.

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From what we know of Jon's history and psychology, he would not can not legitimize himself.  Jon always thinks he is unworthy and he needs approval from outside, not within.  Tyrion tells him ...'never forget who you are and wear it like armor'.  If Jon is made King by acclaim (KoTN) he will accept but he does not have to confidence or tools to do it for himself.  That may be how Jon's story ends, when he finds a way to recognize the honor within him.

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I find it amusing that in story, Jon (both in books and show) keeps resisting or putting off opportunities to change his name to Stark. It was his most fond wish growing up, but he hasn't done it. Stannis gave him a chance and he did the "right" thing by staying a man of the Watch and a Snow. Then in the show he hasn't made time to legitimize himself as king.

 

In a story telling sense, I chalk this up to "good things come to those who wait". When he and those around him learn he is a Targaryen is will be much more of an emotionally satisfying ending to have him crowned or take on the name Aegon VI, if that's indeed where the story is heading in the show and the books. It would make for a very Lion King epic type of moment after all he has gone through. To have him change his name to what we find out is the wrong name just BEFORE changing his name...that would suck a lot of the oomph out of the moment later on. 

In universe, the OP here has a great point. End of the world aside, it would take the stroke of a pen for him to legitimize himself as a Stark. What is his title? King Jon of the House of Snow? He needs a name, if not for himself then for any sons he plans on having. He needs to leave them a name. And I can't imagine him picking a different name like the cadet branch of Targaryens did with Blackfyre. It comes off odd, but we just have to suspend disbelief and ignore for a while longer that Jon hasn't shed the name of Snow yet. The writers of the show are kind of stuck there and have to keep it up for the same reasons GRRM is.

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During WW2 every American Armored Division had a nickname, Old Ironsides, Hell on Wheels, Spearhead etc.  All but one, 4th Armored was simply that.  When the Division Commander was asked about it he simply said that "4th Armored" was enough.  For Jon Snow just being Jon Snow was enough.  Dany may need a dozen titles, Jon doesn't.

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