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I'm gonna say the one with the bigger army, larger treasury and more political clout.

That said Jon might have some backers like whatever remains of House Stark, any wildlings south of the wall and whoever he forges a marriage alliance with.

Edric doesn't really have a lot of natural allies other than Stormlands Houses that are still loyal to Robby-B. He could make a marriage alliance as well.

The Lannisters will try to back the winning horse to avoid as much retribution as possible, same with the Tyrells.

Tully might side with Jon thanks to their tight bonds with the Starks.

Martell have good reason to despise both Jon and Edric so they might try to stay out of the whole affair or more likely to squeeze every possible concession out of both of them.

   

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If it came to a point where somehow the lords of Westeros wanted either a Targaryen or Baratheon restoration  then they could just propose a compromise with a  marriage between Mya Stone and Jon Snow. A lot of people would have to be dead for them to want to support two supposed bastards though. The Faith would throw a fit.

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Nobody cares about a Baratheon restoration. Robert, Stannis, Renly, and Cersei's brats made sure that this is *never* going to happen.

Edric Storm might end up as the new Lord of Storm's End, but that's it.

And if Jon Snow is still alive at the end of the series then there won't be a Great Council discussing his claim - he would then either be the king consort at Dany's side, or the universally recognized king as her heir and former consort if she was dead.

The people who play a (or the) crucial role in defeating the Others won't need the approval of some council to rule over their land. They will rule with sovereign and absolute power long before the Others are defeated - or else the Others won't be defeated at all.

A Great Council could be convened if all the powerful people - Dany, Jon, Tyrion, etc. - with a strong claim to the Iron Throne were to die before the end, leaving only infants and distant cousins around to claim the throne. Then there might be a Great Council to set up a regency government and decide which princeling deserves to be seated on the Iron Throne - Dany and Jon may have a love child, Aegon might produce some offspring with Arianne (or whoever he is going to marry), Tyrion could have a child, etc.

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1 hour ago, Bernie Mac said:

by who?

The North like Jon and see him as the Neds son, Jon will have the support of the remaining Starks and their influence would gain them the support of Riverlands. Not to mention that once its revealed that Jon is a Targ bastard of Westeros beloved silver prince even more support will flock to Jon, who does Edric have? The Estermonts and a few other Stormland houses ? Its not enough support regardless. 

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1 hour ago, Stormking902 said:

The North like Jon

i'm sorry, were is this mentioned in the books? which northern characters have indicated they love Jon?

and how is Edric not seen in a similar way?

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and see him as the Neds son,

as Edric is seen as Robert's son. 

I'd argue that Edric is more popular with the Estermonts and Florents than Jon is with any house. Given that Penrose gave up his life for him I'd imagine that Edric is far more loved than Jon is. 

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Jon will have the support of the remaining Starks

sure, the Starks would want Jon but the same would be true of the Baratheons and Edric. Being an acknowledged noble on both sides Edric would have more support and given that his personality is more in line with Robert/Renly than his uncle Stannis it stands to reason that he would find it much easier to find support than the sometimes morose Jon. 

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and their influence would gain them the support of Riverlands.

no, not really. they don't vote as one powerblock. 

Robb being accepted as king of the Riverlands makes a lot of sense, he was half Tully, betrothed to a Riverlander and had saved many of the nobles at Riverrun, Jon is another matter and the Riverlords are not going to vote for him just because the lord or lady of winterfell is in favor of it. 

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Not to mention that once its revealed that Jon is a Targ bastard of Westeros beloved silver prince

For all Robert's faults, popularity was not one of them. Robert was also beloved and Edric is his acknowledged son while Jon is the acknowledged son Ned Stark, without a paternity test there will always be doubt with who his real father was. 

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even more support will flock to Jon, who does Edric have? The Estermonts and a few other Stormland houses ? Its not enough support regardless. 

you have not really demonstrated that anyone outside of the Starks would support him.. 

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North would definitely back Jon as Ned's foster son and Lyanna's son I can even see Riverlands supporting him if under Blackfish leadership Vale with no Lysa goes for Jon too, having distant cousins and Bronze Yohn Royce's apparent love for Starks.

Lannisters are fucked up either way. 

Tyrells... now that's difficult. Is margaery alive for another marriage? :P Edric is a Florent so Jon for Tyrells.

Stormlanders are as fickle as their horses proven with both wars in the last 15 years so they may go for Bob's bastard, may go for whoever has the better odds or may even go for Jon as he's Stannis spiritual son... last one was a Joke but some may indeed go Jon because of him being a Targ. 

Martells would definitely go Targ, especially when the other candidate is a Stormlander and Reachman both. Bad blood between Dorne and those regions.

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5 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Martells would definitely go Targ, especially when the other candidate is a Stormlander and Reachman both. Bad blood between Dorne and those regions.

I would agree with you but the whole "Jon is the bastard of Rhaegar stepping out on a Martell princess, resulting in a blood war and the death of several Martells" really gets in the way. So IF Jon was in a position to ask for Martell support they likely make him beg for it.

 

6 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Lannisters are fucked up either way. 

Yeah they seems to be all kinds of boned ATM.

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29 minutes ago, Ylath's Snout said:

I would agree with you but the whole "Jon is the bastard of Rhaegar stepping out on a Martell princess, resulting in a blood war and the death of several Martells" really gets in the way. So IF Jon was in a position to ask for Martell support they likely make him beg for it.

Who knows, maybe they'll be the ones begging for it, especially if Doran is alive still. He seems to be a sucker for Targs, reciting their words, even after Lyanna. I can see him trying to marry Ariana to Jon, despite the age difference.

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10 hours ago, Stormking902 said:

Jon is more loved and it would give Westeros back there precious Targ dynasty they so despertly need IMO. 

Jon is not loved at all.  Hell, his own men executed him for treason.  And when the bastard's crimes at the wall became known, he will not get much support.  What he did to facilitate the marriage between Thenn and Karstark is never going to go over well with the nobles.  

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There is no reason to speculate whether Jon or Edric will be loved by the end of the series since we don't know what they will do. If helps to defeat the Others and lives he might have enough power to not give a damn what the people think, anyway. Whoever defeats the Others will be as good as king - or actually king - anyway. He won't need to pull a charade and give the lords the impression their voice counts - it doesn't, and they will learn that in the Long Night.

Nobody will care about Edric, though. He is a bastard child who ran away.

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21 minutes ago, 300 H&H Magnum said:

Jon is not loved at all.  Hell, his own men executed him for treason.  And when the bastard's crimes at the wall became known, he will not get much support.  What he did to facilitate the marriage between Thenn and Karstark is never going to go over well with the nobles.  

Funny guy. Remember who were present in the wedding besides Selyse's retinue, NW and Wildlings? Nobles. Northern ones.

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This all depends on how things turn out.Edric I can see The Stormlands backing him as lord.There's doubts about Aegon being the real deal so I think many of the nobles will be on the fence.That leaves Jon (assuming he's not stuck in Ghost's body.) Dany if she ever makes it will get the vote.But.as others have mentioned if The Others are defeated then this great council is moot.

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4 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Funny guy. Remember who were present in the wedding besides Selyse's retinue, NW and Wildlings? Nobles. Northern ones.

Which nobles? Which ones who loved Jon?

 

8 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

North would definitely back Jon as Ned's foster son and Lyanna's son I can even see Riverlands supporting him if under Blackfish leadership Vale with no Lysa goes for Jon too, having distant cousins and Bronze Yohn Royce's apparent love for Starks.

Lannisters are fucked up either way. 

Tyrells... now that's difficult. Is margaery alive for another marriage? :P Edric is a Florent so Jon for Tyrells.

Stormlanders are as fickle as their horses proven with both wars in the last 15 years so they may go for Bob's bastard, may go for whoever has the better odds or may even go for Jon as he's Stannis spiritual son... last one was a Joke but some may indeed go Jon because of him being a Targ. 

Martells would definitely go Targ, especially when the other candidate is a Stormlander and Reachman both. Bad blood between Dorne and those regions.

what is the point in lords getting their own vote is if, as this post suggests, they all just pick who their Overlord wants?

Plus I'd like to point out that the North takes the vows of the Nights Watch very seriously, some may not be in favor of Jon being allowed to leave. 

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6 hours ago, Dorian Martell's son said:

Tommen will not take kindly to moonboy banging his wife and his mother and execute him 

Who cares? Boros will eat him.

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