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Identity of Quaithe


Lady Rhodes

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On April 25, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Megorova said:

1. So you think, that Dany is uneducated, and she doesn't even know history of her own family?

2. She wasn't unconsciousness, she was delirious, but she saw and heard.

3. We don't know everything that she knows.

Prior Bloodraven appeared before Bran, in ADWD, chapter Bran III, he wasn't introduced to readers in some significant way. He was mentioned only once by maester Aemon, that he escorted him to The Wall, and later became Lord Commander. And that's all. Shiera also was mentioned in the books, twice:

So we know that Shiera was a reason for some big civil confrontation, or rebellion happening in 7K, and many people died, because her half-brothers both loved her. She's an Apple of Discord between Bloodraven (Bran's teacher), and Bittersteel (founder of Golden Company). What other introductions does she needs? :dunno:

No I do not think Danaerys is uneducated. I love Danaerys and know she will be the queen. But I think Viseys did not tell her much, or the right stuff, and even though she was given books at her wedding by Jorah, I don't think she has read them all and remembered them all yet. I thnk part of her emotional contact when she gets to Westeros will be what she learns for herself there. 

And she was unconscious for most of the time. Danaerys only came to a few times for like a few seconds at a time. That happens in real life surgury also. 

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On 4/22/2018 at 8:27 PM, Lady Rhodes said:

I believe that Marwyn is Quaithe or has Sarella/Alleras pose as Quaithe and communicates through the glass candles of the Citadel to Daenerys.  

I think one detail could work in favor of connection between Marwyn and Dany's visions:

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At the top of the steps, a pale blond youth about Sam's age sat outside a door of oak and iron, staring intently into a candle flame with his right eye. His left was hidden beneath a fall of ash blond hair. "What are you looking for?" Alleras asked him. "Your destiny? Your death?"
The blond youth turned from the candle, blinking. "Naked women," he said.

This one is easy to dismiss as a joke, but what if we need to understand that literally?  What if Lazy Leo just simply saw visions of naked women using glass candle. Leo was in proximity of Marwyn, so maybe he somehow "connected" to Marwyn's communication with Dany? Danaerys bathing in her terrace pool in Mereen  might be  one of the naked women Leo saw.

If Leo saw sex scenes he probably would have referred to them as such. In other scenes nude women most likely just bathe (except Cersei in her walk of shame). I have an idea, that maybe communication through glass candles somehow is facilitated by presence of water, in this bathing people are easy to spot. But it's just an idea.

Leo could see some other scene with naked women. For example this one from Dany's vision probably refer to the future:

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Beneath the Mother of Mountains, a line of naked crones crept from a great lake and knelt shivering before her, their grey heads bowed.

Arianne was taking bath frequently when imprisoned in tower and planned her escape, Cersei was bathing very often after her walk of shame, septa Lemore was swimming in Rhoyne every morning. Leo could refer to various events.

Bath scenes seem to be important in Dany's story. They were mentioned before her wedding, then when she learned about pregnancy, when she tried to heal Drogo, when she was going to kill him and before his funeral pyre. Also bathing pools in Xaro's palace and Mereen pyramid.

Daenerys also bathed in the Womb of the World after hearing of the prophesy about stallion who mounts the world.

I not sure where all this is leading. Maybe those were moments when someone was observing her? Suggesting some ideas to her?

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On 4/22/2018 at 1:27 PM, Lady Rhodes said:

 

I have been thinking about all the “loose ends” of this story and trying to figure out how these puzzles pieces fit together. In doing this thinking, I have put together a working theory that fits some of these pieces close together in a way that, I think, allows the puzzle of the whole story to start to fit together.

In the Citadel, we know that Marwyn does not garner the respect of the other arch masters due at least in part due to his specialized field (magic). We also have reason to believe that Alleras/Sarella/the Sphinx is more than a student but a particular admirer of Marwyn. Marwyn has traveled extensively (remember that he taught Mirri Maz Duur) and it is plausible that he has acquired artifacts, such as masks of the shadow binders. I believe that Marwyn is Quaithe or has Sarella/Alleras pose as Quaithe and communicates through the glass candles of the Citadel to Daenerys. 

Now, if we accept that Quaithe’s warning are coming from the Citadel, how does this affect the interpretation ofQuaithe’s prophecies? What other questions does this raise?

We would now have Faceless Men at the Citadel(connected to Arya’s storyline), Quaithe (connected to Dany’s) , Euron (iron islands), Sam (the Night’s Watch) and Sarella connected to Dorne. Is it possible that everything will come down to Oldtown?

I do not think so.  Quaithe came with two other emissaries to meet Dany outside of Qarth.   

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On 5/26/2018 at 5:00 PM, Pukisbaisals said:

If Leo saw sex scenes he probably would have referred to them as such. In other scenes nude women most likely just bathe

There were naked dancers during celebration of Dany's wedding with Hizdahr. Men and women. But the guy, that was seeing that scene thru glass candle, is like any other straight guy - he wasn't paying any attention to naked male dancers, and focused solely on naked female dancers.

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