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I think it was Solo or Happy Ent had a good breakdown of the etymology of chorae, maybe right before TGO was released.

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15 minutes ago, larrytheimp said:

I think it was Solo or Happy Ent had a good breakdown of the etymology of chorae, maybe right before TGO was released.

Yeah, it boiled down to Plato writing an obscure and forgotten essay called Timaeous about chorae and topos, but more famously a post modernist philosopher wrote an extensive famous piece deconstructing this Plato bit.

we were all like shit that is a lot of red flags, particularly as the meanings of chorae and topos in these contexts sheds significant light on novel ways to approach bakers texts.

so we asked him if there was a connection and he just said he did not remember where he got the term chorae or topos, which seems like a lie if he actually put effort and research  into his writing, but if he didn’t bother is probably truthful.

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On 6/20/2018 at 4:09 AM, WalterX said:

If the chorae 'fix' the world to its most prosaic level, as defined by the God's speech, rather than Sorcerer's blasphemy, then did the God looking through Mimara's eyes onto its own chorae allow it to actively meddle?  That is, to remove the Ciphrang despite it bringing its Hellish frame along?  If so...is the God conscious?  I've been thinking that it was more abstraction than anything else, but if it is intervening...

I think maybe Mimara looking at the god thing through the chorae with the judging eye (the thing 'drowsy with compassion') created the perception loop for the god to become conscious at that point. So the god finally sees itself and wakes up at that point, instead of dreaming. After all, magic is basically an exploitation of the gods dreaming (anarcane ground is where the god has walked the ground/dreamed lucid)

I have to wonder if the god in the setting isn't a nasty spider thing like Kellhus describes it, but instead is just blissfully unaware of how fucked things are and instead actually thought everything was going really well as it slumbered. Like a benign god, but clueless to what had been left to happen.

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On 6/26/2018 at 10:43 AM, lokisnow said:

Yeah, it boiled down to Plato writing an obscure and forgotten essay called Timaeous about chorae and topos, but more famously a post modernist philosopher wrote an extensive famous piece deconstructing this Plato bit.

we were all like shit that is a lot of red flags, particularly as the meanings of chorae and topos in these contexts sheds significant light on novel ways to approach bakers texts.

so we asked him if there was a connection and he just said he did not remember where he got the term chorae or topos, which seems like a lie if he actually put effort and research  into his writing, but if he didn’t bother is probably truthful.

 

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In other news they've dug up the No-God in Alexandria:

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/black-sarcophagus-unearthed-in-egypt_us_5b45a8b1e4b048036ea3d944

 

So, when they pop the thing open prepare for the purple plague or whatever it was that the No-God caused when he exploded.

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Hey gang, pardon my interruption of the thread but I had a favor to ask you guys. I’ve been wanting to get a tattoo as tribute to the series. I’ve narrowed it down to something involving either Seswatha, The Nonmen, or Celmomas. What I’m thinking is something akin to a medieval family coat of arms. Ive been paging through the series and I can’t find any mention of any sort of Banners/symbols/crests pertaining to any of the above mentioned. I’ve scoured the Sorweel/Ishterebinth chapters and while the Nonman throne is described, Bakker makes no mention of what sort of symbols adorn it. He also mentions seals, but I can’t recall if those are described either. Could you guys help out? Once again, Seswatha, Celmomas, and the Nonmen. What symbols do they have? 

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10 hours ago, Cursed said:

Hey gang, pardon my interruption of the thread but I had a favor to ask you guys. I’ve been wanting to get a tattoo as tribute to the series. I’ve narrowed it down to something involving either Seswatha, The Nonmen, or Celmomas. What I’m thinking is something akin to a medieval family coat of arms. Ive been paging through the series and I can’t find any mention of any sort of Banners/symbols/crests pertaining to any of the above mentioned. I’ve scoured the Sorweel/Ishterebinth chapters and while the Nonman throne is described, Bakker makes no mention of what sort of symbols adorn it. He also mentions seals, but I can’t recall if those are described either. Could you guys help out? Once again, Seswatha, Celmomas, and the Nonmen. What symbols do they have? 

Wasn't a copper tree the house of Tsonos or something?  I think knee of the mansions symbols was a tree.  

Personally, if I was getting a Bakker tattoo I'd go with a dagger across the throat and the script "some corruption begs not the cloth, but the knife".

On an unrelated note, but still Bakker related art, RRL sent me an Instagram link yesterday to a drawing by this awesome artist Porous Walker who made a pretty good rendition (unknowingly, I'd assume) of the HitB theory.  Fair warning most of his artwork is not safe for work.  I have a pin of a grateful dead steal your face emblem except it's got a butthole on the skulls forehead.

 

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I think that Siol was the Copper Tree but really, really...as much as I've loved this series...caution against making things permanent.  

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The circumfix seems like the obvious choice.  Or a quote from the series that really speaks to you.  None of the other symbology would mean anything even to any Bakker fans you encounter.

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Some mentions I found:

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Her [Onkis'] symbol is the Copper Tree (which also happens to be the device of the legendary Nonman Mansion of Siol, though no link has been established).

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Sorweel stared numbly at the pouch Zsoronga had pressed into his palm, stiff as a dead man’s tongue, the pale pattern as intricate as he could remember it, crescents within crescents, like Circumfixes shattered and heaped into spilling piles. The Triple-Crescent, Serwa had called it. The ancient symbol of the Anasûrimbor.

I don't think Seswatha had a "house" nor do I recall a device mentioned pertaining to the Mandate.

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15 hours ago, Triskjavikson said:

I think that Siol was the Copper Tree but really, really...as much as I've loved this series...caution against making things permanent.  

Yeah...

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4 hours ago, .H. said:

Some mentions I found:

I don't think Seswatha had a "house" nor do I recall a device mentioned pertaining to the Mandate.

Maybe you could do a decayed heart for Seswatha. 

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1 hour ago, unJon said:

Maybe you could do a decayed heart for Seswatha. 

Also cool but I'm still advocating the heart in the butt tattoo.  

Or just a "WHAT DO YOU SEE?"

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I'd just get a dragon tattoo with empty eye sockets and the words WHAT DO YOU SEE? (just pretend it's Capslock dragon talking after the No-God assumes full control).  Obviously you'd have to design it properly but conceptually I think it could work well.

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Thank you so much .H. Those crescents might be a good contender. I’ve come across a lot of symbology that would make for a cool tattoo, but I’m getting this on the top of my hand, so the design has to be somewhat simple. The copper tree, circumfix, twin swords of Fane, the banner of Sil, Esmenet’s tattoo, the three headed wolf in the black halls of Cil-Aujis, there’s plenty in there, but I’m kind of picky. When I think back on the series, the dream sequences are some of my favorite passages, thus the idea of getting something involving Seswatha/Celmomas/Nau-Cayuti. A symbol for the mandate would be cool. I was imagining a hand grasping a heart. Appreciate everyone’s help! 

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Oh and a friend of mine came up with the genius idea of the skin eater symbol. A gumless lower mandible, but that might be hard to translate to a tattoo. That would make more of a cool T-shirt lol 

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