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19 hours ago, Sword of Doom said:

On this day, May 4th, in 1970, 4 people were murdered by the Ohio National Guard at Kent State University during anti war protests. 9 others were wounded. 
 

Victims of the Kent State Shootings:

Killed:

Jeffrey Glenn Miller: age 20 shot through the mouth, killed instantly.

Allison B. Krause: age 19 fatal left chest wound, died later that day.

William Knox Schroeder: age 19 fatal chest wound, died almost an hour later in a local hospital while. undergoing surgery

Sandra Lee Scheuer: age 20 fatal neck wound, died a few minutes later from loss of blood.

Wounded:

Joseph Lewis, Jr.

John R. Cleary

Thomas Mark Grace

Alan Michael Canfora

Dean R. Kahler (permanently paralyzed from the chest down)

Douglas Alan Wrentmore

James Dennis Russell

Robert Follis Stamps

Donald Scott MacKenzie

 

The National Guard fired approximately 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds.

The shootings led to protests on college campuses throughout the country. A student striked caused more than 450 campuses across the country to close with both violent and non-violent protests.

 

On May 8, 11 people were bayonetted at the University of New Mexico by the New Mexico National Guard in a confrontation with student protesters.

Also on May 8th in NYC, the Hard Hat Riots occured, where around 200 construction workers that were moblized by the New York State AFL-CIO, attacked close to 1,000 college and high school students as well as others who were protesting the Kent State shootings, the Vietnam War, and the announcement by President Richard Nixon of the U.S. invasion of Cambodia.

On May 9th, 100,000 people demonstrated in Washington, D.C. in protest against the war and the killing of student protesters. Ray Price, Nixon's chief speechwriter from 69-74, commented on the protest saying, "The city was an armed camp. The mobs were smashing windows, slashing tires, dragging parked cars into intersections, even throwing bedsprings off overpasses into the traffic down below. This was the quote, student protest. That's not student protest, that's civil war."

On May 14, two students were killed and 12 wounded, by police at Jackson State University in a similair scenario. Unfortunately, the Jackson State killings did not get the same nationwide attention as the Kent State shootings.

A Gallup Poll was taken immediately after the shootings. The results showed that 58% blamed the students, 11% blamed the National Guard and 31% had no opinion.

 



 

In France, unlike the US and the UK, amazon has failed to kill the publishing industry and bookstores. Books (and newspapers and magazines) are sold / available widely everywhere. Bookstores have entire tables dedicated to books about their student “Revolution of 1968” — it is being commemorated this spring, and it is a very big national deal.

Suddenly, today, the NY Times remembers it too:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/world/europe/france-may-1968-revolution.html?

Back then, the French students provided a model for the rebellions here.

Today, in Paris, I have been told, there are continually protest and demonstrations of all kinds.

May 1st, students and unions paraded in protest of the neo liberal policy to privatize the railroads, and change various policies at the universities.  At least one of them, in a more "spanish" city of southern France, had a sound truck that played, in Spanish, "Comandante Che Guevara" by Carlos Puebla.  It's a sad song about Che's absence from the Cuban revolution, leaving Cuba behind, gone as he was to fight in Africa for Angola's independence and against South Africa's (and the US's) attempts to establish by military force another apartheid state in this region. 

Here in the US, it had begun to look as though the high school students were going to do this time around here what the university students did — they were not afraid to publicly protest and demonstrate. But here it is — school term for the year is nearly over. These were seniors, who are now thinking of their college days. Additionally, as usual, such matters got highjacked in favored of 24/7 sex scandals and crimes by the WH corruption crony criminals, other males in positions of power and influence, and all stays the same.

More and more people are being deported. In the Chesapeake region, for instance, there is no work force for either the crab or oyster season. The plants are empty, not working because the labor force on which they depended are gone.

We need some serious protesting, all right!

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49 minutes ago, Zorral said:

We need some serious protesting, all right!

There have been some though.  But getting press on them is an issue.  There have been the  Stoneman Douglas High School students, the recent teacher strikes which have occurred in several states, the March for Science on Washington that was held April 14, Earth Day.  While these might not be what you have in mind, people are getting out there. 

Unfortunately, they don't get the media needed to keep these protests alive, or as in the March for Science, even noted.  Plus, there is much more needed to protest, I'll agree with you there.

Protests ignored is a problem indeed.

edt; the recent protests in Sacramento, CA for the murder of Stephon Clark were spontaneous and, at least here in Nor Calif, did get some attention.  

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Don't Count on Regime Change to Stop Iran's Nuclear Program
It’s certainly possible the Islamic Republic could fall sometime soon. But the nuclear deal prevents weapons development now.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/iran-deal-regime-change/559709/

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These are all positive developments, but I think that to leap from noting encouraging signs of public discontent to expecting that the Islamic Republic is on its last legs would be a case of relying on hope over experience. Indeed, how is it that some critics of the nuclear deal have gone from insisting that 10-15 year restrictions on uranium enrichment bought nowhere near enough time for potential political change in Iran, but now seem to be suggesting that regime change could be just around the corner? Last October President Trump claimed that the nuclear deal “threw Iran’s dictatorship a political and economic lifeline,” but now we are supposed to believe that the regime is in its dying days? If anything, far from lifting pressure on the regime as Trump insisted, the nuclear deal seems to have undermined the regime by raising public expectations that it could not meet and taking away its ability to blame others for its poor economic performance. That seems to me to be a win-win policy proposition. If change in Iran is possible, and the JCPOA not only doesn’t prevent it but might even promote it, doesn’t it make sense to keep that agreement in place?

 

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Puerto Rico Enters a New Age of Austerity
Protests against a new fiscal plan highlight just how turbulent the island’s political and economic circumstances have become.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/puerto-rico-enters-a-new-age-of-austerity/559565/

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On Tuesday, thousands of people poured into the streets of San Juan, protesting both sweeping new cutbacks to the island’s spending and a painfully slow hurricane recovery. In a clash with riot police, protesters were met with tear gas and pepper spray. Though the demonstrations were ultimately disbanded, they could signal a deeper reckoning about the future of Puerto Rico and the limits of the ongoing austerity program.

 

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5 hours ago, LongRider said:

There have been some though.  But getting press on them is an issue.  There have been the  Stoneman Douglas High School students, the recent teacher strikes which have occurred in several states, the March for Science on Washington that was held April 14, Earth Day.  While these might not be what you have in mind, people are getting out there. 

Unfortunately, they don't get the media needed to keep these protests alive, or as in the March for Science, even noted.  Plus, there is much more needed to protest, I'll agree with you there.

Protests ignored is a problem indeed.

edt; the recent protests in Sacramento, CA for the murder of Stephon Clark were spontaneous and, at least here in Nor Calif, did get some attention.  

This is all the case.

It's funny (well, not really) that liberal who were patting our national selves on our backs that despite everything with dumpster's election the People didn't go into the streets screaming fraud and collusion.  It was peaceful.  The government continues.  And now they are saying (as at dinner last night), we should have been screaming in the streets instead.  It was wrong that we didn't protest.  Actually point when we should have been hitting the streets was that bogus Supreme Court decision after the actual armed shutdown of the votes and recounts in Florida in the Dub - Kerry election.

 

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Trump Is Said to Have Known of Payment to Stormy Daniels Months Before He Denied It

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/politics/trump-hush-payment-stormy-daniels.html

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WASHINGTON — President Trump knew about a six-figure payment that Michael D. Cohen, his personal lawyer, made to a pornographic film actress several months before he denied any knowledge of it to reporters aboard Air Force One in April, according to two people familiar with the arrangement.

 

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1 hour ago, Zorral said:

People didn't go into the streets screaming fraud and collusion.  It was peaceful. 

We didn't when W stole the election from Gore, why would when 45 was elected?  

 

1 hour ago, Zorral said:

Actually point when we should have been hitting the streets was that bogus Supreme Court decision after the actual armed shutdown of the votes and recounts in Florida in the Dub - Kerry election.

Yes, instead so many nearly broke their arms patting themselves on the back for being so calm and reasonable during such a troubled transfer of power.  Well, except for the Brooks Brothers Riot.  Talk about paid crisis actors!   

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Just noticed the conversation on page 2 regarding the Orange buffoons brain damage. I'd like to point out that there is zero proof that he hasnt suffered  any brain damage and any comments claiming otherwise are pure speculation!!

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This is dangerous shit.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/05/trump-team-hired-spy-firm-dirty-ops-iran-nuclear-deal

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Aides to Donald Trump, the US president, hired an Israeli private intelligence agency to orchestrate a “dirty ops” campaign against key individuals from the Obama administration who helped negotiate the Iran nuclear deal, the Observer can reveal.

People in the Trump camp contacted private investigators in May last year to “get dirt” on Ben Rhodes, who had been one of Barack Obama’s top national security advisers, and Colin Kahl, deputy assistant to Obama, as part of an elaborate attempt to discredit the deal.

The extraordinary revelations come days before Trump’s 12 May deadline to either scrap or continue to abide by the international deal limiting Iran’s nuclear programme.

Jack Straw, who as foreign secretary was involved in earlier efforts to restrict Iranian weapons, said: “These are extraordinary and appalling allegations but which also illustrate a high level of desperation by Trump and [the Israeli prime minister] Benjamin Netanyahu, not so much to discredit the deal but to undermine those around it.”

One former high-ranking British diplomat with wide experience of negotiating international peace agreements, requesting anonymity, said: “It’s bloody outrageous to do this. The whole point of negotiations is to not play dirty tricks like this.”

 

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Both Rhodes and Kahl said they had no idea of the campaign against them. Rhodes said: “I was not aware, though sadly am not surprised. I would say that digging up dirt on someone for carrying out their professional responsibilities in their positions as White House officials is a chillingly authoritarian thing to do.”

 

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12 minutes ago, LongRider said:

If he closes borders to keep 'them' from coming in, will he also keep you from going out?

 

This is what Hitler would have been if the German Army accepted Bone Spurs as a disqualifying medical condition.

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Today in:

How Trump supporters fuck themselves over.

But, I guess if the "libertarian" overlords make tons of money, at the expense of the rest of us, it's all good.

https://www.richmondfed.org/-/media/richmondfedorg/publications/research/working_papers/2018/pdf/wp18-09.pdf

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We analyze the effect of average seasonal temperatures on the growth rate of U.S. output. We find that seasonal temperatures, particularly summer temperatures, have significant and systematic effects on the U.S. economy, both at the aggregate level and across a wide cross-section of economic sectors. A 1  degree F increase in the average summer temperature is associated with a reduction in the annual growth rate of state-level output of 0.15 to 0.25 percentage points.

 

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Finally, the finding that the effect of summer temperatures is stronger in the states that are on average warmer than the rest of the country is related to the nonlinear effects of rising temperatures in the studies of Schlenker and Roberts (2006; 2009). Future research should employ methodologies from these studies to further investigate potential nonlinearities in the effects of seasonal temperatures.

 

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3 hours ago, LongRider said:

This is chilling.  It goes so far beyond what any government that makes claims to being a democracy as to be unchartable.   

But, it seems they've found nothing?  Surely the cocks and the fox would be howling 24/7 if they did.  Another proof that these criminals and sociopaths judge everyone by their own actions and beliefs.

And there's this -- do you all remember it?  When Texas was convinced military exercises were all Obama taking over Texas (as if Texas wasn't a part of the nation!), and the gub fell for it to calling out the state's guard?

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/politics/article/Former-CIA-chief-Russians-behind-Texas-furor-12885303.php

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2 hours ago, OldGimletEye said:

Today in:

How Trump supporters fuck themselves over.

But, I guess if the "libertarian" overlords make tons of money, at the expense of the rest of us, it's all good.

https://www.richmondfed.org/-/media/richmondfedorg/publications/research/working_papers/2018/pdf/wp18-09.pdf

 

 

Could any of this be put into comprehensible English please?

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11 minutes ago, Zorral said:

This is chilling.  It goes so far beyond what any government that makes claims to being a democracy as to be unchartable.   

But, it seems they've found nothing?  Surely the cocks and the fox would be howling 24/7 if they did.  Another proof that these criminals and sociopaths judge everyone by their own actions and beliefs.

It gets crazier. Turns out it's the same company that was used to suppress Weinstein's sexual assaults.

 

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3 hours ago, LongRider said:

If he closes borders to keep 'them' from coming in, will he also keep you from going out?

 

That's what I'm wondering. 

 

If so, reminds me of a recent song from the Canadian band Propagandhi. Song is called victory lap, opens up with the verse "when the flames engulfed the home of brave, the stampede towards the border was in vain. Faces palmed faces paled as the wall they said would make them great could not be scaled."

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Sword of Doom said:

If so, reminds me of a recent song from the Canadian band Propagandhi. Song is called victory lap, opens up with the verse "when the flames engulfed the home of brave, the stampede towards the border was in vain. Faces palmed faces paled as the wall they said would make them great could not be scaled."

Good lyrics!  And funny dat, but walls can work for both directions.

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1 hour ago, Zorral said:

Could any of this be put into comprehensible English please?

Sure, but I'm not sure what the issue is. Was it because the format of the quoted text was bit messed up (which I think I fixed). Or is it something else?

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4 minutes ago, Triskele said:

And Devin Nunes is calling for John Kerry to be arrested by the FBI and put in prison under the Logan Act due to allegations he's trying to save the Iran deal.  I'll just take that, outside of its chilling authoritarianism, that Nunes is guilt of numerous crimes and that this is part of how he lashes out.

Nunes also said this morning he is going to push to hold Sessions in contempt because they refuse to provide highly confidential files of an active criminal and counterintelligence investigation to Congress.

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1 hour ago, OldGimletEye said:

Sure, but I'm not sure what the issue is. Was it because the format of the quoted text was bit messed up (which I think I fixed). Or is it something else?

It was the jargon, which as I don't speak that brand of jargon, was without meaning, alas.

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