war of the five kings weak north

[Matter-of-fact]

why was it impossible for the north to defend against iron born  attacks/ invasion and Ramsey shenanigans since the north should still be able to get possible more than 10k army even after the battle at Winterfell.

[Reekazoid]

 Ten thousand troops loyal to and commanded by whom , mustered where, and at which point in the story?

 You mean like having 10K troops ready to go but still in the North, at the start of the Wot5K, before any ironborn and before Ramsay attacked Winterfell?

 

Would have had to split them between Winterfell and Moat Cailin and Deepwood Motte at the very least.  While that would have possibly  prevented the fall of Winterfell initially, they would have been no defense against ironborn raids and there was  no reason to suspect Ramsay of any double dealing so he might have still been able to infiltrate WF and cause havoc by destroying or at least weakening the chain of command.

[Aline de Gavrillac]

1 hour ago, Matter-of-fact said:

why was it impossible for the north to defend against iron born  attacks/ invasion and Ramsey shenanigans since the north should still be able to get possible more than 10k army even after the battle at Winterfell.

The Ironborn are a warrior culture.  Remember, they don't sow.  Most of what's left in the north were farmers and crafts people.  The IB took them by surprise.  Robb was not such a good commander after all.  He left his backside exposed and allowed the IB to penetrate into his vulnerable areas.  

[Matter-of-fact]

1 hour ago, Aline de Gavrillac said:

The Ironborn are a warrior culture.  Remember, they don't sow.  Most of what's left in the north were farmers and crafts people.  The IB took them by surprise.  Robb was not such a good commander after all.  He left his backside exposed and allowed the IB to penetrate into his vulnerable areas.  

I don't understand why Robb did not order bran and  Sir Roderick to raise another army to reinforce his army  later on or to guard the north. its basic tactics always have reinforcements and keep you homeland safe.

[Lord Lannister]

It really wasn't impossible. The only reason it took so long for the Ironborn to be routed is because the Boltons and Stark loyalists started fighting amongst themselves. Once the Boltons came out on top, they pretty much systematically began purging the North of the Ironborn. Stannis the rest. 

[The Young Maester]

Ser Rodrik Cassel was on his way to purging the Ironborn out of the North but Mr Ramsay Snow (Bolton) dosent like rodrik cassel so like the crazy maniac that he is, he decided to betray Rodrik's army which was around 3k strong (mostly peasants in training). http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Battle_at_Winterfell.

After these events at Winterfell the entire northern army, that was meant to begin a campaign against Ironborn was completely routed by 500 bolton men. Ser Rodrik would have succeded in kicking the Ironborn out of both deepwood motte and torrhen's square, and maybe Moat Cailin,if it wasent for Ramsay.

If Ramsay decided to not bring a Bolton army to just betray Ser Rodrik., and If the siege of winterfell didnt go to shit, Mr Rodrik would have found Bran and Rickon, probs send theon to the nights watch and began his march on deepwood motte with the mountain clansman possibly joining him along the way and booster his numbers to around 4k-5k. After he takes deepwood motte (no point arguing here cuz deepwood motte cannot be defended so Asha is doomed) the Dustins and Ryswells (which both only donated 400 men for the south) would be forced to help Ser Rodrik clean the north from em nasty squids, thats possibly another 2k well trained men to his army.

Ser Rodrik and the lords under his command know the north better than the ironborn which would make the campaign much easier and Robb wouldn't have to worry about squids running around his kingdom. Manderly also have lots of cavalry in reserve which would really help Ser Rodrik take back moat cailin and possibly capture or kill (the atter more likely) Victorian Greyjoy. Goerge RR Martin said himself that the north still has the fighting manpower to keep going for the Winds of Winter.

Dont forget Robb only took 17k northman south cuz he was in a hurry, that means he most have left around 10k strong northman behind. If Robb took his time in bringing the full might of the north down south which would possibly be some 30k-35k men, then the North would be in big trouble against the Ironborn, cuz they would be left with young boys and old men to defend against the Ironborn. The North dosent have a standing army so basically, every soldier in their ranks is a farmer that war shoved a spear or sword on his hands. 

[Dorian Martell's son]

5 hours ago, Matter-of-fact said:

why was it impossible for the north to defend against iron born  attacks/ invasion and Ramsey shenanigans since the north should still be able to get possible more than 10k army even after the battle at Winterfell.

Theon was effectively a northerner. He knew the land and the castle. he knew where to climb, that the castellan was gone and the lord of the castle was a weak boy. The north was defending itself, but it fell to treachery 

[Angel Eyes]

The Umbers sent most of their manpower down with Robb, since Mors commands green boys and Hother commands old men.

[Arthur Peres]

Balon's invasion only did the damage it did because of Ramsey and Theon going against the plan.

It's Theon that comes out with the ideal of taking winterfell, and he does it with only 30 men and frees Ramsey...

It's is Ramsey that took the castle of the Hornwood's, killed Donella, fakes Bran and Rickon death,that crushes Rodrik's army,pillage and burns Winterfell.

Take Ramsey out of the pictury and Theon would probably never killed the miller's sons, Rodrik would take winterfell back, and Bran and Rickon could return to winterfell safely.

As show by Asha, the ironborns lack the dicipline to fight the northmen in a pitched battle.

The old castellan broke his shield wall, yes," Asha said calmly. "What did you expect? This Ser Rodrik knows the land intimately, as the Cleftjaw does not, and many of the northmen were mounted. The ironborn lack the discipline to stand a charge of armored horse. Dagmer lives, be grateful for that much. He's leading the survivors back toward the Stony Shore."

And acording to Dagmar the Iroborn do not siege.

“Strong enough. The walls are stone, thirty feet high, with square towers at each corner and a square keep within.”

“Stone walls cannot be fired. How are we to take them? We do not have the numbers to storm even a small castle.”

“You will make camp outside their walls and set to building catapults and siege engines.”

“That is not the Old Way. Have you forgotten? Ironmen fight with swords and axes, not by flinging rocks. There is no glory in starving out a foeman.”