US Politics: Follow the Money!

[TrueMetis]

Isn't that murder? Pretty sure that's murder not just health care fraud.

Also all this time Republican's have warned again "death panels" in public healthcare. So of course there's a private healthcare organization doing exactly what they warned about.

[Fragile Bird]

8 hours ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

This is the most sickening behavior I have read about in a very long time. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hospice-overdosed-patients-to-hasten-their-deaths-former-health-care-executive-alleges_us_5aff1d4ae4b0a046186b6954

 

When my mother was in the final illness that led to her death, she spent months in the hospital, the kind of thing you read about bankrupting families in the US. I was under a lot of stress and managed to get three or four speeding tickets very stupidly. The one that stands out in my mind was one day when I was on my way to the hospital and I was listening to a report about the Obamacare debates on my car radio. Some Republican asshole came on explaining that passing Obamacare would mean death panels, "like they have in Canada". I just tensed for a moment and my foot went down, right before a radar trap.

Man, I hear Republicans talk about healthcare the anger surges up again. Hospital teams do have meetings with families to tell them their prognosis. Some families will say, stop treatment, others will say, no, carry on. But these are exactly the same meetings doctors have with families in the US. The teams don't meet and say "let that patient die". That takes capitalism!

[Ormond]

19 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Same goes for how some school books are completely removing slavery. The atrocities of the past are the oligarchs' seekwrits.

 

 

I'm sorry, but what you have linked to is an article about a controversy dealing with one word in one caption on a picture in a textbook which is discussing slavery and even has the term "Slave Trade" earlier in the SAME SENTENCE where the offending word "workers" is found. That is a far, far cry from "completely removing slavery" from the book --plus the publisher immediately responded and changed the caption when complaints arose. This seems to me to be the same sort of hyperbolic paranoia right-wing types get into about "political correctness." One problematic word in one caption which is immediately corrected surely implies those "oligarchs" you are complaining really don't have much power.

[drawkcabi]

32 minutes ago, Ormond said:

I'm sorry, but what you have linked to is an article about a controversy dealing with one word in one caption on a picture in a textbook which is discussing slavery and even has the term "Slave Trade" earlier in the SAME SENTENCE where the offending word "workers" is found. That is a far, far cry from "completely removing slavery" from the book --plus the publisher immediately responded and changed the caption when complaints arose. This seems to me to be the same sort of hyperbolic paranoia right-wing types get into about "political correctness." One problematic word in one caption which is immediately corrected surely implies those "oligarchs" you are complaining really don't have much power.

This article is a little more in depth on the issue

While I do believe sometimes the left goes too far in political correctness and finding things to be offended about, in this area it's not the case and is a symptom of something to be legitimately worried about.

 

Here's what kids are learning in Louisiana, in Christian schools yes, but as I understand it, due to a huge vouchers program within a sweeping "education reform" the state enacted, it's close enough to public education and taxpayers are paying for kids to go to school and learn this:

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/08/photos-evangelical-curricula-louisiana-tax-dollars/

Here are a couple of "facts" pointed out here that kids learn:

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“A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well.”—United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991

 

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“[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians.”—United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

 

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Gay people “have no more claims to special rights than child molesters or rapists.”—Teacher’s Resource Guide to Current Events for Christian Schools, 1998-1999, Bob Jones University Press, 1998

 

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“God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ.”—America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994

 

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“Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years.”—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

 

[Mexal]

 

[Knight of City of Bayonne]

>>>" Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. "<<<  As well as blacks, Roman Catholics and Jews.  Conveniently omitted the primary targets.  My mother once told me she remembered seeing the hooded Klan march in the Memorial Day Parade in Bayonne, New Jersey around the mid-1920s when she was a little girl of about 7.  Scared the heck out of her and probably most of the other kids. 

[Zorral]

1 hour ago, Mexal said:

 

These meetings have not previously been reported, so this is new information, as far as it goes.

Here's the direct link to the NY Times story (though behind a paywall for non-subscribers -- but you all know what to do if non-subscription is the case):

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/politics/trump-jr-saudi-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html?

It's the Russians, Eric Prince, the Saudies and Israel, all conspiring with dumbster family members in August of 2016 to 'help' his campaign.

Of course, yanno, this is all part of the fiendishly clever and foresighted entrapment conspiracy among Hillary, the Dems and the FBI.  You all do know this, right? 

[drawkcabi]

2 hours ago, Ser Knight Somerville said:

>>>" Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. "<<<  As well as blacks, Roman Catholics and Jews.  Conveniently omitted the primary targets.  My mother once told me she remembered seeing the hooded Klan march in the Memorial Day Parade in Bayonne, New Jersey around the mid-1920s when she was a little girl of about 7.  Scared the heck out of her and probably most of the other kids. 

No doubt!

Woodrow Wilson being a white supremacist and vocal defender of the Klan, and the Klan was a major player. maybe the biggest player, in the Democratic nomination for President in 1924, was all part of that era.

Adding fuel to many conservatives who love to point out the racist past of the Democratic Party, Jefferson being a slave holder, their anti-abolitionist stance leading up to the civil war, the Jim Crow era and the beginnings of the Klan, and the Klan resurgence in the 1920's. It seems conservatives can't comprehend how the electorate began to change under FDR and drastically switched after LBJ and the civil rights era of the 60's.

The Democrats have a vile past, but their legacy has slithered over to the GOP, the evidence to prove it is vast, but that seems to have no bearing on their argument. 

 

 

[Altherion]

The Israelis and the Saudis? At the rate this is going, the whole world (except perhaps the UK) will have helped Trump get elected.

[James Arryn]

7 minutes ago, Altherion said:

The Israelis and the Saudis? At the rate this is going, the whole world (except perhaps the UK) will have helped Trump get elected.

You’re not paying attention. It’s not entire countries. It’s the ‘elites’ of some countries taking care of ‘elites’ in America. Because what’s good for American elites is good for all elites. So, really it’s an elite-on-elite love fest. Lots of eliting going on, man. Lol, you should have been around pre-election when some posters actually argued that supporting Trump...the born rich Ivy League tv celeb corporate brand name guy...was a stand against elites. Can you imagine? If it weren’t so sad it would be comical. 

[Mexal]

18 minutes ago, James Arryn said:

You’re not paying attention. It’s not entire countries. It’s the ‘elites’ of some countries taking care of ‘elites’ in America. Because what’s good for American elites is good for all elites. So, really it’s an elite-on-elite love fest. Lots of eliting going on, man. Lol, you should have been around pre-election when some posters actually argued that supporting Trump...the born rich Ivy League tv celeb corporate brand name guy...was a stand against elites. Can you imagine? If it weren’t so sad it would be comical. 

Not quite. It’s more authoritarian governments trying to help get one of their own (well wannabe) elected. The Israeli connection is slightly different and more rooted in belief Trump would do what he has already done.

[Zorral]

The Philippines is also peripherally involved, as the lower part of the report mentions, as one of the bot - troll farms, financed / run by Psy-Group, and connected to Geroge Nader, an adviser to the Emiratis who is cooperating in the special counsel investigation. and Zamel's WhiteKnight social media manipulation group  I.e., yah, several authoritarian non-law abiding chiefs of state and their enablers seem happy to help dumbster into their fold.  As one would know if one read the report, of course.

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Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater, arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company’s ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump.

 

 

[Zorral]

What we all know for certain -- quote from the WaPo -- which, not so coincidentally dumpster and agemt orange agents wants with every fiber of their being to destroy -- but it's hard to destroy something owned by somebody almost as rich as the country itself -- and certainly richer than agent oranges and his surrogates, as people are learning with FB, no matter how heinous its behaviors:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/now-we-know-what-trump-will-say-when-we-learn-what-hes-hiding/2018/05/18/e7c5dcd4-5ac5-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?

 

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Russia hacked the election, which is a problem whether or not the outcome was affected. Candidate Trump was more connected to Putin’s circle during the campaign than he acknowledged. If his son Donald Trump Jr. didn’t collude with Russia, he certainly wanted to. And Donald Trump’s desire to shut down “this Russia thing” led to his ham-handed firing of FBI Director James B. Comey, which in turn gave us the Mueller probe. No deep-state conspiracy, just Trump’s own blundering, according to sometime adviser and confidant Stephen K. Bannon.

It has been said many times: For a man protesting his innocence, Trump sure does act guilty. And that, more than anything, creates the air of mystery shrouding this topic. But at least we now know what he’s likely to say if and when we learn what he is hiding.

Feds set me up!

 

 

[Zorral]

Plus -- it looks as though Eric Prince perjured himself.  That's so surprising isn't it.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/19/erik-prince-congressional-testimony-trump-tower-meeting-598052

But it seems doubtful he'll be indicted. That's so surprising too, isn't it.

 

[DMC]

21 minutes ago, Zorral said:

But it seems doubtful he'll be indicted. That's so surprising too, isn't it.

1.  As the article notes, convicting someone of perjuring themselves in congressional testimony is very difficult because the prosecution has to prove the person knowingly lied.

2.  Conventionally (in observance of separation of powers), the FBI will not investigate any false testimony to Congress unless requested to by Congress itself.  Obviously Devin Nunes' Intelligence Committee is unlikely to make such a request.

3.  If the feds pursued every person, or even half the people, that provide false testimony to Congress, that's all they'd do.

All that being said, I agree that prosecuting Prince would be worth the hassle, and if the Dems take back the House, I would hope a Chairman Schiff would request his testimony be investigated.

[Jace, Extat]

13 minutes ago, dmc515 said:

1.  As the article notes, convicting someone of perjuring themselves in congressional testimony is very difficult because the prosecution has to prove the person knowingly lied.

2.  Conventionally (in observance of separation of powers), the FBI will not investigate any false testimony to Congress unless requested to by Congress itself.  Obviously Devin Nunes' Intelligence Committee is unlikely to make such a request.

3.  If the feds pursued every person, or even half the people, that provide false testimony to Congress, that's all they'd do.

All that being said, I agree that prosecuting Prince would be worth the hassle, and if the Dems take back the House, I would hope a Chairman Schiff would request his testimony be investigated.

Lying to Congress is lying to the people. It should carry a capitol offense.

[Martell Spy]

Exclusive: Special Counsel subpoenas another Stone aide in Russia probe - sources

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mueller-subpoena-exclusive/exclusive-special-counsel-subpoenas-another-stone-aide-in-russia-probe-sources-idUSKCN1IJ2MV

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The subpoena was recently served on John Kakanis, 30, who has worked as a driver, accountant and operative for Stone.

 

[IamMe90]

7 hours ago, Pony Empress Jace said:

Lying to Congress is lying to the people. It should carry a capitol offense.

Yeah, because lying to the people is definitely a crime deserving of death.

[Jace, Extat]

4 minutes ago, IamMe90 said:

Yeah, because lying to the people is definitely a crime deserving of death.

In this country being black or going to school are crimes deserving of death. What's the harm in lynching a few oligarchs and their minions?

 

[Zorral]

9 hours ago, IamMe90 said:

Yeah, because lying to the people is definitely a crime deserving of death.

Especially when the lies involve the deaths of at least one and more of the people -- or even just people, anywhere -- which can involve anything from medical issues, i.e. pricing of meds and health care, and insurance corps forever insisting they shouldn't have to pay for anything -- to the toxicity of air, water and food, to rolling back of safety regs for everything including the plans that even YOU probably fly on, to second amendment is about keeping us safe (instead of, as any historian of the Constitution know, to keep slaves down on the plantation and kill Native Americans), and -- by golly, shooting wars (ask Erik Prince who makes a billion dollars from that).  Lots of death from lying to peoples.