What would Robb do if Ned took the Black?

[Varysblackfyre321]

20 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

 

You guys are forgetting though; Robb kept the war going and Sansa wasn't killed despite that. 

Well she can provide a claim for a lanister to hold the north, and Robb at this point has his own hostages(the big one Jaimie), to which he could destroy, should Sansa be killed. 

[Varysblackfyre321]

33 minutes ago, Ylath's Snout said:

Cersei doesn't have full control over Joff. Ned getting chopped in was a spur of the moment thing from Joff. Sure Joff is constrained but he is still a wild-card in many ways.

Legally-yes she absolutely does. Joffery (much as people loath), does know more what he can and cannot get away with, hench him not simply executing Tyrion,

[Varysblackfyre321]

37 minutes ago, Ylath's Snout said:

mean that this is incentive for the Lannisters to get Northerners to declare neutrality or join them. They are working against the clock.

Neutrality-probably. Join these blantant Usurphers and endanger Ned and his daughter? No. 

 

[Ylath's Snout]

23 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Legally-yes she absolutely does. Joffery (much as people loath), does know more what he can and cannot get away with, hench him not simply executing Tyrion,

I always got the impression that he didn't because he respects his grampa much more than Cersei and doesn't want to disappoint him, as much.

22 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Neutrality-probably. Join these blantant Usurphers and endanger Ned and his daughter? No. 

This made me have a though, in a way Robby-B was right. Keeping the Starks loyal could have really helped keep "his" kids first in line the throne. Robbs armies and Tywin's teaming up would have ended things pretty quick, unless Joff screws everything up.

[Frey Kings]

Pretty sure Eddard would've trip and fall over a lion's tail on route to the Wall.

[Ylath's Snout]

9 minutes ago, Frey Kings said:

Pretty sure Eddard would've trip and fall over a lion's tail on route to the Wall.

Do you mean that they'd murder-death-kill him?

[Frey Kings]

17 minutes ago, Ylath's Snout said:

Do you mean that they'd murder-death-kill him?

Of course, even LF Varys Doran the moon boy

 

The man knows too much

[Ylath's Snout]

2 minutes ago, Frey Kings said:

Of course, even LF Varys Doran the moon boy

 

The man knows too much

Sure, that does make the scenario pretty unlikely, or at-least Ned making it out alive.

Are you serious about Doran wanting Ned dead? Seems like he would be gleeful at the prospects of the Wolf denouncing the Lion as inscestious abomination. Heck if anything he might work to keep Ned alive in order to ferment civil war and the discrediting of House Lannister.

[Frey Kings]

Just now, Ylath's Snout said:

Sure, that does make the scenario pretty unlikely, or at-least Ned making it out alive.

Are you serious about Doran wanting Ned dead? Seems like he would be gleeful at the prospects of the Wolf denouncing the Lion as inscestious abomination. Heck if anything he might work to keep Ned alive in order to ferment civil war and the discrediting of House Lannister.

According to Preston Jacobs  but j/k (maybe?)

 

Yea Ned was marked for death, no matter what. Should've ran straight to Dragonstone and bent the knee to the one true king. 

[Ylath's Snout]

3 minutes ago, Frey Kings said:

According to Preston Jacobs  but j/k (maybe?)

I do indulge in a bit of Preston on occasion but this I have never heard. Any idea what video that is from, maybe one of the Dornish Master Plan ones?

4 minutes ago, Frey Kings said:

Yea Ned was marked for death, no matter what. Should've ran straight to Dragonstone and bent the knee to the one true king. 

Ned meeting meeting Stannis while he is high on life and Melisandre's "truthiness" could have been interesting. Stannis is Robert's legit hier but at the same time bruning septs and Godwoods has to be repulsive to a religiously tolerant man like Ned.

[Frey Kings]

11 minutes ago, Ylath's Snout said:

I do indulge in a bit of Preston on occasion but this I have never heard. Any idea what video that is from, maybe one of the Dornish Master Plan ones?

Ned meeting meeting Stannis while he is high on life and Melisandre's "truthiness" could have been interesting. Stannis is Robert's legit hier but at the same time bruning septs and Godwoods has to be repulsive to a religiously tolerant man like Ned.

More of a joke, tinfoil, Doran or Bloodraven or Quaithe are the true puppet masters for every event 

 

Stannis is a smart man, he would've not piss off potential allies until he sat on the Iron Throne. As for Renly, he kinda deserved it. But who knows how much of a sway the Red God or his followers would have on him when he finally became King?

[Ylath's Snout]

3 minutes ago, Frey Kings said:

But who knows how much of a sway the Red God or his followers would have on him when he finally became King?

If the North got behind Stannis he might have a very different perspective on things. Too bad he picked charisma as a dump stat.

10 minutes ago, Frey Kings said:

More of a joke, tinfoil, Doran or Bloodraven or Quaithe are the true puppet masters for every event 

I haven't been here long but I've learn that you can't really assume if a "theory" is someone actual opinion or a odd-hand joke.

 

[Varysblackfyre321]

2 hours ago, Ylath's Snout said:

ssion that he didn't because he respects his grampa much more than Cersei and doesn't want to disappoint him, as much.

2 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

The only males he's shown a passing respect for is possibly the hound(not degrading him through having him beat Sansa, not punishing him for speaking out in her defense), and Robert.

Tywin in Joffery's eyes (thanks to Robert bitching about his father in law)was the coward who hid behind the Rock and only came to Robert's aid at the last minute. 

But he is a powerful.

Hes not totally ignorant of the political realities of the sunset kingdoms. 

[Ylath's Snout]

3 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

The only males he's shown a passing respect for is possibly the hound(not degrading him through having him beat Sansa, not punishing him for speaking out in her defense), and Robert.

Tywin in Joffery's eyes (thanks to Robert bitching about his father in law)was the coward who hid behind the Rock and only came to Robert's aid at the last minute. 

Maybe I'm being a bit of a "melder".

3 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Hes not totally ignorant of the political realities of the sunset kingdoms. 

Sure, it is just that no one, very much including himself, really can control that temper of his. I am exaggerating a bit but Joff might lose it when his "toy" is about to be take away. When Tyrion and Sansa married they remain inside his grasp  but if Sansa went North she would be truly free of him.

[Light a wight tonight]

On 5/20/2018 at 5:02 PM, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Meh, that's a stretch. Joffery was only able to take Eddard's head through the fact he made a spectacle in front of the entire city, and Ned himself admitted to treason; it  would be disasterous for the reputation of the monarchy for Cersi(though legally she could) to have simply declared Joffery's order invalid. However in this instance the king would have publicly  promised mercy to the north for surrendering. Joffery would look like an oathbreaker if he had suddenly decided to slaughter Robb when he came to pledge fealty.  Joffery would recognize as such. Besides, it'd be nice to see this arrogant Stark grovel for forgiveness.  And Brandon and Rickon wished to seek Justice against the crown prince not Justice. 

Joffrey is the same guy who shot a man through the throat with a crossbow for demonstrating against the lack of food in King's Landing. He has no regard for life or the proprieties, just his own wishes.

[Varysblackfyre321]

1 hour ago, Light a wight tonight said:

Joffrey is the same guy who shot a man through the throat with a crossbow for demonstrating against the lack of food in King's Landing. He has no regard for life or the proprieties, just his own wishes.

Yes,he's a sadist,-that doesn't mean he hasn't at least some awareness for his limitis and what is and is not something that's going to push them at times.

Theres a reason why he does simply kill his dwarf uncle out right and obeys Tywin; it's the realization there are somethings he cannot simply get away with and generally not worth the consequence.

[Light a wight tonight]

2 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Yes,he's a sadist,-that doesn't mean he hasn't at least some awareness for his limitis and what is and is not something that's going to push them at times.

Theres a reason why he does simply kill his dwarf uncle out right and obeys Tywin; it's the realization there are somethings he cannot simply get away with and generally not worth the consequence.

We obviously disagree on what Joff is willing to do. If one accepts the scenario that LF and the Tyrrells poisoned him at his wedding feast it would appear that some of the people around him thought he was too dangerous to let live.

[Varysblackfyre321]

2 hours ago, Light a wight tonight said:

We obviously disagree on what Joff is willing to do. If one accepts the scenario that LF and the Tyrrells poisoned him at his wedding feast it would appear that some of the people around him thought he was too dangerous to let live.

Dangerous to who? Margary likely sure. Perhaps Olenna could not bear to see her granddaughter abused and poisoned her bethrothed. 

A good chance her fears would prove warranted.

If Joffery did not realize he must tolerate Tyrion, that he could freely take the dwarf's head with out issue he would have done so or did not realize that he must obey Tywwin(although very reluctantly with), he would simply ignore the old man or order him executed as well; he doesn't however; because he could tell the difference between say ordering the deaths of some random peasants for some fun and people like his grandfather and uncle.