History Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 What if the tyrrels have declared for the targayens in war of five king after renly killed instead of lannisters and mace name himself regent and hand of the king for daenerys and planned to have willas tyrrel or loras tyrrel as consort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hoare Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Half of his vassals(perharps even more) would abandon him and would start supporting Stannis. Stannis would probably end sitting in the Iron Throne. Daeneryes was far from Westeros, the Reach had no reason to support her. The Tyrells would lose Highgarden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Mace won't march to help the city and will keep sitting on the suplies for Kings Landing. The men from the Stormlands would want to go with Stannis more than ever and Loras and Tarly might have to kill more than just the Florents, Mace will have problems dealing with them. Declaring for Joffrey still is declaring for a Baratheon, but a Targeryan make things more complicated. Tywin would still march on KL to relieve the city, no Renly ghost, no massive defection from Stannis army, Stannis probably lose but not as bad as blackwater went and would remain a threat, Tywin suffer more loses saving the city and will have to deal with more and more revolts from the starving smallfolks. Robb still marries Jeyne,Catelyn still releases Jaime, Karstark still gets beheaded. But know he does not need to face the Tyrells, and Tywin is busy dealing with the starving of Kings Landing. Don't know if Roose still betrays Robb in this situation. The north still has a chance to success, the South is more devided than ever, but Robb still made a mess of everything other than the battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 3 hours ago, History said: What if the tyrrels have declared for the targayens in war of five king after renly killed instead of lannisters and mace name himself regent and hand of the king for daenerys and planned to have willas tyrrel or loras tyrrel as consort? What targ would he declare for? Viserys and Dany were half way to the end of the world and had never even met much less spoken to Mace. (f)Aegon was still in hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammers1895 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 What if the tyrrels have declared for the targayens in war of five king after renly killed instead of lannisters and mace name himself regent and hand of the king for daenerys and planned to have willas tyrrel or loras tyrrel as consort? Hard to imagine any Westerosi lord declaring for Danaerys or Viserys without having any idea/belief in their strength. At this point, many in Westeros still consider the dragons mere rumor, and Unsullied are eunuchs who won't be able to stand up to Westerosi knights, and the Dothraki are filthy barbarians who fear to cross the Narrow Sea. So asking a Westerosi lord to cast their lot with the Targaryen's is a stretch. Stick with the devil you know, which in the case of Mace Tyrell, would be Renly Baratheon. But if we're merely speculating on what would have happened had the Tyrells essentially sat out the War of the Five Kings (which if they declared for a Targaryen in exile would basically be what that amounted to), it would have left the North and Westerlands fighting (while the Ironborn take the North unaware), and the forces of Stannis probably succeed in taking King's Landing...which would force Tywin to probably sue for peace because A. he has family members needing protection in the capital and B. he would be at a disadvantage trying to fight Robb and Stannis at the same time. Tywin would in essence have his Westerlands houses + loyal crownslands houses vs. the combined might of the North, the Riverlands, the Stormlands and the half of the crownsland house that declared for Stannis (leaving the Reach, Dorne and the Vale on the sidelines and the Iron Islands fighting remnants of the Northern houses that stayed home). If Robb and Stannis were not allied, but were both fighting the Lannisters, then I doubt Roose and Walder Frey betray Robb. The real question is would Stannis have had the restraint to focus on Tywin/the Iron Throne vs. trying to fight Robb at the same time. He is obsessed with all of Westeros being under one rule and would not have allowed Robb + the riverlands to break away into a separate kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Stone Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/20/2018 at 10:06 PM, History said: What if the tyrrels have declared for the targayens in war of five king after renly killed instead of lannisters and mace name himself regent and hand of the king for daenerys and planned to have willas tyrrel or loras tyrrel as consort? So if this happened after the birth of the dragons the throne would practically be Dany's to take. The dragons are the symbol of Targaryen power. I believe the majority of the people in Westeros would stop whatever they were doing and declare for the dragon. All it takes is for the second most powerful House to support the Mother of Dragons and many of the other houses will fall in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hoare Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 7:16 PM, Rosetta Stone said: So if this happened after the birth of the dragons the throne would practically be Dany's to take. The dragons are the symbol of Targaryen power. I believe the majority of the people in Westeros would stop whatever they were doing and declare for the dragon. All it takes is for the second most powerful House to support the Mother of Dragons and many of the other houses will fall in line. Not if she was in Westeros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 6:16 PM, Rosetta Stone said: So if this happened after the birth of the dragons the throne would practically be Dany's to take. The dragons are the symbol of Targaryen power. I believe the majority of the people in Westeros would stop whatever they were doing and declare for the dragon. All it takes is for the second most powerful House to support the Mother of Dragons and many of the other houses will fall in line. Probably so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Such a move wouldn't be Mace Tyrell's style. It would undermine his own support and he'd have no allies to help him and be surrounded by enemies. Chances are his own lands would be fought over either by invaders from the Westerlands or Stormlands, if not by civil war among his own bannermen who desert him. He'd take losses, both in lands and men with no guarantee of victory. Mace tends to be slow and methodical with his moves and generally will only commit his forces when both victory seems probable and his own forces won't take any serious losses. So pledging fidelity to Dany accomplishes nothing but uniting everyone else against him and undermining his position and forces severely. There are cheaper ways to get influence in the realm, which he pursued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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