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It'd be a silver lining with a big cloud for the Lannisters. Sure Renly is gone but Stannis is still around, likely to rally more of the Stormlands to his side from the get-go.

Depending on the circumstance of Renly's death it could really steel opposition to the Lannisters. Kinslaying and executing a Lord Paramount is really bad unless you can justify it.

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2 hours ago, GallowsKnight said:

But he won't get the Reach I don't think. They might sit out the war. Or join Robb. Or the Lannisters. So who knows.

I assume that they would want Robb on the Iron Throne then? I wonder what their justification would be. other than right-by-conquest. Maybe that Ned was Roberts "true" brother or that Stannis can't insure religious freedom with his "holy places" toasting?

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Robb would sent his mother to negotiate with Stannis.

Without shadow baby, Brienne wouldn't join Catelyn, and without her, Cat wouldn't have anyone to escort Jaime.

Battle of Black water would began earlier, and Tyrion wouldn't have time to preapare for siege.

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Renly wasn't killed because the author didn't want it that way, and his death wouldn't have changed anything, because again, the author wrote it the way he wanted, but for argument's sake let's say it is a completely different story than the one we have.  Rather than biding his time, Stannis declares the twincest earlier and accuses the Lannisters of foul play with Robert (because if Renly is believed to have been killed by them, it is an easier sell that Robert was also targeted).  The Stormlands rallies for him, he takes King's Landing and does some exterior decorating with Cersei/Joffrey/the Imp, Robb surrenders his crown for his sisters and some other concessions, Stannis and Robb finish off Tywin, Balon doesn't surface at all (and thank Christ because I can't stand that dusty old fuck), Stannis doesn't grow desperately reliant on Melisandre's witchcraft to the point of considering burning his nephew or anything else ridiculous, and when the Night's Watch comes calling for men to fight off the Others, Stannis actually listens.  It would be a hard go of it for the whores in King's Landing, but otherwise life sounds pretty great.  The end.

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Baelish goes to Highgarden and negotiates a marriage to Joffrey, or Tommen if need be. The Lannisters and the Tyrells both have reason to not want Stannis on the throne so the alliance is still likely, Loras wouldn't like it but Mace wants his daughter a queen. Stannis will probably attack KL sooner, but Tyrion will still have time to prepare, Renly will not have gathered the Stormlands army already so it will take Stannis however long to gather who he can, and I'm not entirely sure how many would be willing to initilly rebel for him as opposed to Renly. In the actual timeline Stannis is fortunate that Renly already made his bannermen traitors to the crown so they were more amenable to Stannis, in this scenario they would be rebelling for Stannis to begin with and I don't think they all would. 

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14 minutes ago, Boarsbane said:

Stannis will probably attack KL sooner, but Tyrion will still have time to prepare, Renly will not have gathered the Stormlands army already so it will take Stannis however long to gather who he can, and I'm not entirely sure how many would be willing to initilly rebel for him as opposed to Renly.

This might come down to how Renly dies. If the manage to do it covertly or pit it hard on someone else then sure Lots of Renly supporters might not be as keen rebelling. If he got killed like Ned or in a even more gratuitous way than it might steel their resolve. 

20 minutes ago, Boarsbane said:

Baelish goes to Highgarden and negotiates a marriage to Joffrey, or Tommen if need be. The Lannisters and the Tyrells both have reason to not want Stannis on the throne so the alliance is still likely, Loras wouldn't like it but Mace wants his daughter a queen.

Seems probable unless something happens to make them think Robb might be a winning card instead. Robb would have to get the backing of a rich House if he landed on the Iron Throne to cover all of Bobo B's dept to the Iron Bank and turning to the Lannisters seems unlikely.

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2 hours ago, Lucius Lovejoy said:

Renly wasn't killed because the author didn't want it that way, and his death wouldn't have changed anything, 

it changes everything. The only reason the war of the five kings lasts as long as it does is because the Reach rebelled, the Reach rebels because Mace's daughter was made a Queen and his future grandson would be a king. 

 

2 hours ago, Lucius Lovejoy said:

 The Stormlands rallies for him,

Possibly, possibly not. They may well prefer to support the children of he hugely popular Robert rather than Stannis. 

Stannis is lucky that the men under Renly have already rebelled against the crown, they may not have the same incentive to do so for Stannis. 

2 hours ago, Lucius Lovejoy said:

 

he takes King's Landing 

Again, Stannis only looks like being successful due to Tywin heading West. Stannis attacking much earlier means he has to take on Tywin, his larger force and the walls of Kings Landing. It is far from certain he does so

Renly rebelling makes the war competitive, him not rebelling means that Stannis does not stand a chance. 

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On 5/22/2018 at 3:49 PM, Ylath's Snout said:

I assume that they would want Robb on the Iron Throne then? I wonder what their justification would be. other than right-by-conquest. Maybe that Ned was Roberts "true" brother or that Stannis can't insure religious freedom with his "holy places" toasting?

Yeah, though now that I think about it Robb might be less likely to crown himself if there's a clear alternative to Joffrey in Stannis. Part of the discussion that prompted the Great John's speech was the Renly or Stannis choice. Especially when Catelyn hears about the incest and confirms her suspicions with Robb that the Lannister conspiracy that crippled Bran/sent the Catspaw must have been about this.

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On 5/21/2018 at 4:24 PM, History said:

What if renly was killed in kinglanding instead of having fleed ,maybe he attempts his coup and fails or the lanisters kill him before he able to leave king landing?

Nothing would change. Stannis would just attack faster, Brienne would meet with Cat somewhere else and Littlefinger would get the Tyrells 

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2 hours ago, GallowsKnight said:

Yeah, though now that I think about it Robb might be less likely to crown himself if there's a clear alternative to Joffrey in Stannis.

The Tyrells must see the danger in Stannis getting the throne. The Florrents would be in a really scary position.

Maybe Olenna or someone acting on her behalf can get to Robb and get in his head. Trying to blame the Lannisters and Baratheons for allowing them to run wild all these years. Robb might not be as young as Joff but looking at the Westerling situation he isn't immune to a woman's charms.

Seems to me that one part of the kingship of T7Ks is to protect the faiths, both old and new, if it gets out what Stannis has been doing, or cleverly exaggerated by bards on the Tyrell take, then Robb might be a lot less inclined to join his cause.

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22 hours ago, Ylath's Snout said:

The Tyrells must see the danger in Stannis getting the throne. The Florrents would be in a really scary position.

Maybe Olenna or someone acting on her behalf can get to Robb and get in his head. Trying to blame the Lannisters and Baratheons for allowing them to run wild all these years. Robb might not be as young as Joff but looking at the Westerling situation he isn't immune to a woman's charms.

Seems to me that one part of the kingship of T7Ks is to protect the faiths, both old and new, if it gets out what Stannis has been doing, or cleverly exaggerated by bards on the Tyrell take, then Robb might be a lot less inclined to join his cause.

I think the Tyrells would not want Stannis on the throne certainly and I think they might make overtures towards Robb. But if Robb didn't accept/crown himself and instead backed Stannis I think they would simply sit out the conflict until they could safely bend the knee to Stannis, his forces tired there's intact. They wouldn't get much from him. But they would retain their status quo. I don't think they'd back the Lannisters there position seemed hopeless at the start of the War.

Robb is also of the North so I'm not sure if religious concerns would appeal to him.

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7 hours ago, GallowsKnight said:

But if Robb didn't accept/crown himself

If Robb won't commit to crowning himself I think Tyrell agents would have a pretty easy time convincing his bannermen to pressure him into going for it.

7 hours ago, GallowsKnight said:

Robb is also of the North so I'm not sure if religious concerns would appeal to him.

I don't think he gives a rat's arse about the High Septon and things like that but followers of the Old and New gods seems to have had a health respect for each others freedom of belief for hundreds of years. If Stannis seemed like he could try to institute forced conversion to the Red God that Robb would be very worried

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