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1 hour ago, Maithanet said:

Wert's SFF sales list has Joe Abercrombie at 5 million + books sold.  Which is listed as well above Lynch, although somehow I think that Lynch's number is significantly out of date. 

A little bit, but Abercrombie's sales are very, very solid. He's likely a fair bit above 5 million now as well. He's approaching half of Sanderson's non-WoT sales (with far fewer books) which is pretty damn good.

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There is no question that Abercrombie can sell. At least he used to. But with the years gone by and no adult fantasy novel published in a long time, the question is whether or not readers will buy A Little Hatred right off the bat and pay hardcover price for it, or if they'll wait to see which way the wind blows and maybe go for the mass market paperback or the discounted ebook edition. 

To give you an example, and this can change drastically in the coming weeks, Abercrombie's latest is ranked 11, 708 on amazon.com as far as pre-orders are concerned. Modesitt's The Mage-Fire War, which comes out around the same time, is ranked 6202. Lee told me that basically every Recluce installment sells around 10,000 units on the week of its release. He has a very loyal readership and these numbers haven't changed much over the years.

À la Mark Lawrence, who outsells most NYT bestselling fantasy authors and yet never appears on the list, Joe could have an ok first week but sell steadily for several weks afterward. And/or sell from sources whose numbers don't put you on the NYT list and in the end outsell some NYT bestsellers.

Time will tell. It's been 7 years since Red Country and that's an eternity in publishing.

I'm convinced that most Abercrombie readers will return at some point. But it might not be right out of the gate.

So if you want to do something about it, pre-order the book or buy it upon release. :)

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Every branch of Waterstones has plenty of Abercrombie novels, so I'd expect this one to sell.

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There is no rhyme or reason for these things. Consider Steven Erikson's Forge of Darkness. It tanked in such a way that both his agent and editor suggested that he stop working on the Anomander Rake trilogy after the second volume and concentrate on something else. 

And that's just a few months after The Crippled God was a bestseller on both sides of the Atlantic.

Why didn't all Malazan fans buy the first volume in a new trilogy that would focus on the story of one of the most beloved characters of The Malazan Book of the Fallen? Impossible to say.

It's been seven years since the last First Law book. Will it have an influence on the sales of A Little Hatred? Maybe yes, maybe no.

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13 hours ago, Lord Patrek said:

There is no rhyme or reason for these things. Consider Steven Erikson's Forge of Darkness. It tanked in such a way that both his agent and editor suggested that he stop working on the Anomander Rake trilogy after the second volume and concentrate on something else. 

And that's just a few months after The Crippled God was a bestseller on both sides of the Atlantic.

Why didn't all Malazan fans buy the first volume in a new trilogy that would focus on the story of one of the most beloved characters of The Malazan Book of the Fallen? Impossible to say.

It's been seven years since the last First Law book. Will it have an influence on the sales of A Little Hatred? Maybe yes, maybe no.

Speaking personally... I was exhausted with Malazan and read The Crippled God to get closure.  I wasn't about to jump back into more right then.

As you say though, who knows how readers will respond?  I have it pre-ordered.

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Well A Little Hatred now ranks at 9568 on amazon.com, so you see how quickly this can change. Just a few more pre-orders between yesterday and today and all of a sudden the book went up by quite a margin.

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Found a claim, in a spreadsheet compiled from Edelweiss data, that A Little Hatred has a 100,000 first printing. Gives a sense of judged demand by the publisher.

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On 8/7/2019 at 12:32 AM, SeanF said:

Every branch of Waterstones has plenty of Abercrombie novels, so I'd expect this one to sell.

Waterstones seem to be keen as this book and at least "the heroes" both have bonus chapters exclusive to their copy of the book. They also have Joe signing them so I think they are pretty confident he'll sell for them and as the largest book store chain in the UK that's probably meaning sales should be good.

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7 hours ago, Lord Patrek said:

My review of A Little Hatred here.

Sounds great - also liked the teases of which characters will appear (I don't consider it a spoiler). And ranked pretty high in terms of your enjoyment of the series so far. A month to wait...

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1 hour ago, Ran said:

Found a claim, in a spreadsheet compiled from Edelweiss data, that A Little Hatred has a 100,000 first printing. Gives a sense of judged demand by the publisher.

 

31 minutes ago, red snow said:

Waterstones seem to be keen as this book and at least "the heroes" both have bonus chapters exclusive to their copy of the book. They also have Joe signing them so I think they are pretty confident he'll sell for them and as the largest book store chain in the UK that's probably meaning sales should be good.

I expect that it as widely anticipated, and will do as well as, the next Bernard Cornwell.

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2 hours ago, red snow said:

Waterstones seem to be keen as this book and at least "the heroes" both have bonus chapters exclusive to their copy of the book. They also have Joe signing them so I think they are pretty confident he'll sell for them and as the largest book store chain in the UK that's probably meaning sales should be good.

Waterstones seem to like Joe’s books, as they were very big with pushing The Shattered Sea too, i can only assume he must be a strong seller.

at the moment Philip Pullman is dominating the Waterstones advertising here and has been for well over a month. With the new Book of Dust and HBO/BBC series though this is not surprising

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I used to spend hours in book shops. I probably havent been one in 15 years. I dont regret buying a kindle but I do miss the smell and atmosphere. 

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6 hours ago, BigFatCoward said:

I used to spend hours in book shops. I probably havent been one in 15 years. I dont regret buying a kindle but I do miss the smell and atmosphere. 

THere are many reasons to detest London but the bookshops are a delight imo.

(i cant recall if you live there, work there, or just visit ocassionally for work)

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8 minutes ago, HelenaExMachina said:

THere are many reasons to detest London but the bookshops are a delight imo.

(i cant recall if you live there, work there, or just visit ocassionally for work)

Waterstones in Piccadilly and Hatchards are simply fantastic (and the former sells new books before their official publication date, which pisses off publishers, but pleases me).  No offence to Joe Abercrombie, but if I can get my hands on A Little Hatred before 17th September, ravening weasels won't stop me.

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14 hours ago, red snow said:

Sounds great - also liked the teases of which characters will appear (I don't consider it a spoiler). And ranked pretty high in terms of your enjoyment of the series so far. A month to wait...

And I didn't even mention the Bloody-Nine. . . ;)

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1 hour ago, Lord Patrek said:

And I didn't even mention the Bloody-Nine. . . ;)

Joe's characters have inspired Pat to sheer e-sadism now. He already has my money, you mad lad

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You should have seen me when I was the only reviewer with page proofs of the Malazan books! :P

Drove some people on malazanempire.com crazy with my teaser posts!

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On 8/6/2019 at 6:48 PM, Lord Patrek said:

There is no rhyme or reason for these things. Consider Steven Erikson's Forge of Darkness. It tanked in such a way that both his agent and editor suggested that he stop working on the Anomander Rake trilogy after the second volume and concentrate on something else. 

And that's just a few months after The Crippled God was a bestseller on both sides of the Atlantic.

Why didn't all Malazan fans buy the first volume in a new trilogy that would focus on the story of one of the most beloved characters of The Malazan Book of the Fallen? Impossible to say.

It's been seven years since the last First Law book. Will it have an influence on the sales of A Little Hatred? Maybe yes, maybe no.

The first book of Erikson's Rake trilogy did not review well and was not received well by the fan-base, the second book more so. The change of style, Erikson doubling down on the type of material his general fans tend to struggle through to get to the convergence, etc. It's not a surprise it tanked. 

Same with Donaldson - the 2nd Covenant trilogy was released in the early 1980's. That's a huge stretch of time for a follow up. It didn't help that the third Chronicles were ... not very good.

Tad William's is a bit of a stranger case, as he's been pretty consistent in releases, but his tendency to ramble and a very basic plot structure, coupled with several unengaging new characters and plot threads, certainly put a damper on the release of the 2nd Osten Ard series.

Abercrombie's released four books in the last seven years, so he hasn't exactly been non-prolific. Of this particular genre, he's probably one of the more consistent authors in terms of releases and consistency in his writing. Moreover, he's pretty well liked in the community, probably for the reasons stated above along with the material itself (I'd say he's substantially improved as an author across his books, though I personally found the last volume of Shattered Sea to be a bit boring and predictable). With proper PR, this new trilogy should do fine.

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