norwaywolf123 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 In the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylath's Snout Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I don't know how to persuade a pious man to fuck a woman with a reputation like Gatehouse Ami. As the Faith of the Seven seem to have a lot of ideals of "sexual purity" you'd have to break down his faith I guess but that seems like it could go wrong in all sorts of ways. Just let Lancel become a septon and give his brother Martyn the Derry lands is they are that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Step one: Annul marriage. Step two: Marry him to Cersei. Step three: Do a wedding. Marriage consumed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, Ylath's Snout said: I don't know how to persuade a pious man to fuck a woman with a reputation like Gatehouse Ami. As the Faith of the Seven seem to have a lot of ideals of "sexual purity" you'd have to break down his faith I guess but that seems like it could go wrong in all sorts of ways. Just let Lancel become a septon and give his brother Martyn the Derry lands is they are that important. The Faith of the Seven is based on catholicism so maybe there is some pro natalist message there that can persuade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylath's Snout Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, norwaywolf123 said: The Faith of the Seven is based on catholicism so maybe there is some pro natalist message there that can persuade him. Maybe but I imagine that has already been tried if that's the case. Shitty as it is to say I have a hard time seeing some that hade turned that pious, (presumably as a response to all the his he has seen/done) consummating a marriage with a woman like Gatehouse Ami outside of Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 46 minutes ago, Ylath's Snout said: Maybe but I imagine that has already been tried if that's the case. Shitty as it is to say I have a hard time seeing some that hade turned that pious, (presumably as a response to all the his he has seen/done) consummating a marriage with a woman like Gatehouse Ami outside of Dorne. Maybe you are right and it is unlikely for someone as pious as Lancel to consumate his marriage. But Martin Luther was a monk and he later married a nun, this is an example that the unexpected can sometimes happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylath's Snout Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, norwaywolf123 said: Maybe you are right and it is unlikely for someone as pious as Lancel to consumate his marriage. But Martin Luther was a monk and he later married a nun, this is an example that the unexpected can sometimes happen. Sure but if I were Kevan I wouldn't bet on it. Frankly it seems like he bungled the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis-something-Rose Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Lancel is done with his marriage and everything else. He left Darry and likely not planning on returning there ever. Plus, he's been getting visions from the Seven and we have no idea what those entail at all. In his case, though, I think we have to take everything that's happened to him since the start of the story and how he was used by both Cersei and Tyrion for their own ends. Him refusing the consummate his marriage with Ami may be rooted in his own sexual history with Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylath's Snout Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, Widow's Watch said: Him refusing the consummate his marriage with Ami may be rooted in his own sexual history with Cersei. Yeah, that seems pretty probable. The pious attitude might be an excuse to not have sex after all the weird shit with Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Lancel is such a boring character I really hope WINDS takes care of him permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I think we shouldn't overlook the possibility that Lancel might not be able to consummate his marriage. He nearly died on the Blackwater, and since then he looks like an old grey man. By the time Jaime sees him at Darry, he is fasting so badly that he sees "visions." So even if he wanted to, he might not be up to the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I think both of the questions in the title to this thread are answered in the books already. Lancel makes it perfectly clear he is not interested in consummating his marriage in his convo with Jaime in AFFC. By the time of Cersei's Walk of Shame, Lancel is one of the Warrior's Sons. He's already forsworn his marriage, so I don't think they'll be any convincing him to get on back to Darry and being a real husband to Ami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis-something-Rose Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Lancel has Baelor the Blessed vibes to him in AFFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancho Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 He is married to his Faith, go figure how much guilty he has to do that tough... He death should be gruesome, Cersei will not forget he helping escort her out. Ami seems a nice girl, she needs a lustful husband, hope se gets it, her pretension to Darry is good. Maybe she can hook up with Lancel little brother, maybe he is the new Lord of Darry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Oddly enough Tyrion probably would've made a better match for Ami than Lancel. Everyone would win in this scenario too. Tyrion gets his reward, out from under his father's thumb and the freedom to live his life. Tywin gets rid of Tyrion, secures Darry and expands Lannister influence in the Riverlands. Not sure how Ami would feel about it, that could really go either way. Tyrion's certainly eager enough to hop into the sack, both of them are "soiled goods" so that's a wash, but she might be turned off by the little monster aspect of it. Of course, he proved his valor in battle so she might think him a little gallant too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kandrax Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Stormking902 said: WINDS Where is Baelor Hightower, when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 No, why would you think on that path? His story is the Faith's in KL, as he is directly pointed. He will become High Septon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylath's Snout Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, chrisdaw said: He will become High Septon. Looking forward to the Faith of the Seven crumbling a few short years after that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 11 hours ago, Chancho said: He is married to his Faith, go figure how much guilty he has to do that tough... He death should be gruesome, Cersei will not forget he helping escort her out. Ami seems a nice girl, she needs a lustful husband, hope se gets it, her pretension to Darry is good. Maybe she can hook up with Lancel little brother, maybe he is the new Lord of Darry. I can't see the Lannisters willingly giving up Darry so they might expect Amerei to marry Martyn who is Kevan's second surving son. Martyn also seems to be named after GRRM himself, maybe that is good sign for Martyn's fate? Also Daven Lannister is in the Riverlands currently, he is also unmarried so perhaps he could take Lancel's stead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 14 hours ago, John Suburbs said: I think we shouldn't overlook the possibility that Lancel might not be able to consummate his marriage. He nearly died on the Blackwater, and since then he looks like an old grey man. By the time Jaime sees him at Darry, he is fasting so badly that he sees "visions." So even if he wanted to, he might not be up to the task. Fertility is negativly impacted by stress so that might be a factor. Atleadt his fertility is damaged, but when Lancel gets fit again his fertility will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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