zandru Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 On 5/27/2018 at 6:04 AM, ravenous reader said: Why is that reminiscent of a privy (besides the suggestive fact that it's called a *moon* door...)? Outhouses are always depicted with a crescent moon on their doors. Rural US convention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneSnow Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 Quote Meera took the rear, with her spear Quote I will go to my grave thinking of my brother's peach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenous reader Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/29/2018 at 2:42 PM, zandru said: Outhouses are always depicted with a crescent moon on their doors. Rural US convention. That's a great catch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherFromAnotherMother Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 The Sworn Sword Quote "Girls are so stupid ," he would say. "The next one who touches me is going into the river." Dunk had to tell him, "Then I'll be touching you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneSnow Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 Quote "If you have any more remarks to make, come outside and make them." The ASOIAF version of Cash me ousside, how bow dah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneSnow Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 Arianne's 2nd chapter in AFFC is full of gems. Was reading it today and stopped several times cracking up at how naughty some of it sounded. Quote Ser Manfrey shall escort you there, to await the prince's pleasure. Quote Best stop swallowing, you're like to choke on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitterblooms Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 On 5/27/2018 at 8:04 AM, ravenous reader said: Why is that reminiscent of a privy (besides the suggestive fact that it's called a *moon* door...)? I think in caricatures of outhouses they are drawn with crescent moons on the door Edit: oops, now I see someone has beaten me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenous reader Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 3:28 AM, Bitterblooms said: I think in caricatures of outhouses they are drawn with crescent moons on the door Edit: oops, now I see someone has beaten me to it This idea of the weirwood/weirnet as privy, cesspool, or brothel is very interesting. There is an abundance of symbolism supporting these associations (despite such compelling evidence, my observation thereof, now bolstered by @zandru's superb find, has aroused controversy among the more prudish and/or politically correct). What message is GRRM trying to convey by doing this, do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kandrax Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Quote Fierce as a storm this prince will be. His enemies will tremble before him, and their wives will weep tears of blood and rend their flesh in grief. The bells in his hair will sing his coming, and the milk men in the stone tents will fear his name. The prince is riding, and he shall be the stallion who mounts the world” Out of context this is proof that Jinglebell is Stallion who mounts the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherFromAnotherMother Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Davos I, Dance Godric Borrell: Quote "We were a free people before that, with our kings ruling over us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 On 6/10/2018 at 4:47 PM, ravenous reader said: This idea of the weirwood/weirnet as privy, cesspool, or brothel is very interesting. There is an abundance of symbolism supporting these associations (despite such compelling evidence, my observation thereof, now bolstered by @zandru's superb find, has aroused controversy among the more prudish and/or politically correct). What message is GRRM trying to convey by doing this, do you think? We need @Seams to relate this to Tywin sitting gold and other things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seams Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said: We need @Seams to relate this to Tywin sitting gold and other things... See, you can click your ruby slippers together and do it yourself! You have had the power to make convoluted connections among symbols all along! Having said that, I think it's probably connected to the "shit for honor" phrase associated with Jaime. He kicks over his slop bucket when Catelyn comes to see him in his cell in Riverrrun. Ser Arthur Dayne Ser Ilyn Payne has a similar bucket in his cell beneath the Red Keep. Edit: The House Arryn motto is "As High As Honor," providing a further hint about the moon door / outhouse door and "shit for honor" connection. It may also imply a "goose that laid the golden egg" allusion - we get a lot of eggs in ASOIAF, and the ability to lay those eggs would be valuable. It all comes together, then, when Ser Hyle Hunt helps Brienne meet Nimble Dick Crabb at a place called The Stinking Goose. (The Dunk and Egg story, the Mystery Knight, also involves a valuable egg obtained via a privy shaft.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarial Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Seams said: See, you can click your ruby slippers together and do it yourself! You have had the power to make convoluted connections among symbols all along! Having said that, I think it's probably connected to the "shit for honor" phrase associated with Jaime. He kicks over his slop bucket when Catelyn comes to see him in his cell in Riverrrun. Ser Arthur Dayne Ser Ilyn Payne has a similar bucket in his cell beneath the Red Keep. Edit: The House Arryn motto is "As High As Honor," providing a further hint about the moon door / outhouse door and "shit for honor" connection. It may also imply a "goose that laid the golden egg" allusion - we get a lot of eggs in ASOIAF, and the ability to lay those eggs would be valuable. It all comes together, then, when Ser Hyle Hunt helps Brienne meet Nimble Dick Crabb at a place called The Stinking Goose. (The Dunk and Egg story, the Mystery Knight, also involves a valuable egg obtained via a privy shaft.) All of this now has me wondering how it ties in the name Jon, since Jon Arryn was supposed to be honorable but John is a nickname for a toilet. As for out of context quotes if you remove the descriptions this exchange sounds pretty dirty: The dwarf dusted himself off and laughed. "I believe I've frightened your wolf. My apologies." "He's not scared, Ghost, come here. Come on. That's it." "Shy, isn't he?" Lannister observed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneSnow Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 8 hours ago, Seams said: See, you can click your ruby slippers together and do it yourself! You have had the power to make convoluted connections among symbols all along! Having said that, I think it's probably connected to the "shit for honor" phrase associated with Jaime. He kicks over his slop bucket when Catelyn comes to see him in his cell in Riverrrun. Ser Arthur Dayne Ser Ilyn Payne has a similar bucket in his cell beneath the Red Keep. Edit: The House Arryn motto is "As High As Honor," providing a further hint about the moon door / outhouse door and "shit for honor" connection. It may also imply a "goose that laid the golden egg" allusion - we get a lot of eggs in ASOIAF, and the ability to lay those eggs would be valuable. It all comes together, then, when Ser Hyle Hunt helps Brienne meet Nimble Dick Crabb at a place called The Stinking Goose. (The Dunk and Egg story, the Mystery Knight, also involves a valuable egg obtained via a privy shaft.) I believe it was Catelyn who kicked the bucket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seams Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, JaneSnow said: I believe it was Catelyn who kicked the bucket How appropriate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitterblooms Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 On 6/10/2018 at 4:47 PM, ravenous reader said: This idea of the weirwood/weirnet as privy, cesspool, or brothel is very interesting. There is an abundance of symbolism supporting these associations (despite such compelling evidence, my observation thereof, now bolstered by @zandru's superb find, has aroused controversy among the more prudish and/or politically correct). What message is GRRM trying to convey by doing this, do you think? It might not even be a deep message. It might just be a kind of visual pun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenous reader Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 6/13/2018 at 11:12 AM, Seams said: I think it's probably connected to the "shit for honor" phrase associated with Jaime. He kicks over his slop bucket when Catelyn comes to see him in his cell in Riverrrun. Ser Arthur Dayne Ser Ilyn Payne has a similar bucket in his cell beneath the Red Keep. Edit: The House Arryn motto is "As High As Honor," providing a further hint about the moon door / outhouse door and "shit for honor" connection. It may also imply a "goose that laid the golden egg" allusion - we get a lot of eggs in ASOIAF, and the ability to lay those eggs would be valuable. It all comes together, then, when Ser Hyle Hunt helps Brienne meet Nimble Dick Crabb at a place called The Stinking Goose. (The Dunk and Egg story, the Mystery Knight, also involves a valuable egg obtained via a privy shaft.) All good points -- but why specifically is the weirwood/weirnet compared to a privy or cess pool? On 6/13/2018 at 4:54 PM, Azarial said: All of this now has me wondering how it ties in the name Jon, since Jon Arryn was supposed to be honorable but John is a nickname for a toilet. Life mimics art -- it's called 'the John' because John Harington, the ancestor of Kit Harington who plays Jon in the show, invented the flush toilet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneSnow Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 6/13/2018 at 2:19 PM, Seams said: How appropriate! I just realized how that sounded omg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarial Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 17 hours ago, ravenous reader said: All good points -- but why specifically is the weirwood/weirnet compared to a privy or cess pool? Life mimics art -- it's called 'the John' because John Harington, the ancestor of Kit Harington who plays Jon in the show, invented the flush toilet! Now that's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 On 6/14/2018 at 8:11 PM, ravenous reader said: All good points -- but why specifically is the weirwood/weirnet compared to a privy or cess pool? I think shit and piss actually deserve a through examination. Can’t imagine why that’s not happened yet! I suspect old traditions one hasn’t been able to move past for some reason are portrayed as shit and piss sometimes when those traditions are things one would wish to move on and not stick around. As such, the weirwood being a container of the past might be likened to a privy, especially if that past isn’t so pleasant and not as gone as one would wish. Think of a Port-a-Potty at festival times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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