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30 similarities between “A Song of Ice and Fire” and “Memory, Sorrow and Thorn”

1) A high-born girl named (Miri)arya disguises herself as a boy, and learns to fight with a sword as she travels throughout the lands. She travels from one end of the world to the other, fleeing danger everywhere, while disguised as a boy. Despite the fact that many people see through her flimsy ‘disguise’, she keeps wearing it.

2) Two princely brothers who hate each other fight over the royal throne. The country is torn apart as various factions choose sides. But the side that plays dirty will win…

3) A red-robed advisor to the new king convinces the king that he needs to sacrifice his hated younger brother; this sacrifice, the red-robed advisor says, will make the kingdom whole once more.

4) A tailed star appears in the sky, portending doom/change.

5) Feuding brothers named Elias/Elyas and Josua appear in the story.

6) Strange, otherworldly creatures who live in the far north appear, and although they have been inactive for centuries, they plot to take over the world. They have been exiled at the northern edge of the world for many years, but will soon take it all back, manchild.

7) It is foretold of the coming of an unusual winter which will last a very long time, at the same time as the otherworldly invasion. Only the northerners take these old legends seriously. Everyone else laughs at such absurd tales. But the people of the north never forget.

8) A very unusual throne lies at the center of the human dispute for the kingdom, but it is only a distraction for the real conflict.

9) A major noble character, a close relative of the king, loses his hand.

10) A wolf character plays a major role.

11) A character that is the ‘Hand’ figures prominently.

12) A slender sword named ‘Needle’/’Naidel’ is wielded by a main character, who can’t use a heavier sword.

13) Everybody laughs at the idea of ice giants in the north… until they see them for themselves.

14) Young, noble children are cruelly thrust out into the cold, cruel world by evil adults, slowly learning to fend for themselves as they grow into young men and women.

15) A crown made to resemble antlers appears as a plot element.

16) A very short yet intelligent character has a betrothal as part of his storyline. But he is soon put on trial, where the penalty is death, and everyone seems set on killing him… even his own lover.

17) The story begins shortly before the death of the old king, whose reign was peaceful, and kept the kingdoms safe. The king brought peace and prosperity to the lands, but now his death has thrown the empire into conflict, with factions fighting.

18) The Children of the Dawn/Forest, who once lived throughout the realm, but who are now living in hiding, will have a part to play. They appear to be at odds with the otherworldly creatures in the far north.

19) A character whose name is Snow(lock), who is forced to journey into the north, is a main character. He appears to be a nobody, but his secret lineage is important. No one knows the truth…

20) A guilt-tormented knight, Sir Camaris/Ser Connington, spends years in exile in the south, only to return, where he is at last revealed as still being alive.

21) A major character lives thousands of miles from the rest of the other main characters, for over a thousand pages having no real interaction with the main group. But eventually, Danaerys/Tiamak will have a role to play.

22) The series was meant to be a trilogy, but got out of hand.

23) A major young male character likes to climb his castle’s walls and turrets, and can do so with ease. Eventually, he will be forced to leave his childhood home, no longer able to climb the castle’s walls and turrets.

24) This same character is plagued by prophetic, spooky dreams.

25) A new god, the Red God, demands blood sacrifice. His adherents are more than willing to do the Red God’s bidding, no matter how awful the sacrifice is. Once blood is spilled, the spell is created, and shadowy figures appear…

26) A servant of evil wearing a hound’s head helmet.

27) An important character of very short size. 26&27 thanks to @Max_Hallam

28) A fierce people of nomadic grasslanders.

29) Birds are used as messengers between intellectuals.

30) A battle on a frozen lake (not yet canonical in ASoIaF but still).

What do you think about these similarities? GRRM is definitely inspired. In the letter there was a love between Jon and Aria, and there is also in this book. Does it go the same way for you? Of course, we have seen a lot of signs, but it is still not clear. What about the other things? Strom King and AA legend ... Can AA not really be a hero?

Do you know more similarities if you read the book? Thank you.

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That's a very neat list, well done! :cheers:

2 hours ago, YeniAy_Ottoman said:

 GRRM is definitely inspired. In the letter there was a love between Jon and Aria, and there is also in this book. Does it go the same way for you?

Nope. And that outline is Martin "making shit up", in his own words

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Balticon_Report

He then said that he is not good with writing outlines, making book deadlines, and that often in outlines he was "making shit up", and "characters changed along the way". Side note: I know he said other things in past interviews, so interpret this as you will. * “quoted” words are his words exactly.

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Of course, we have seen a lot of signs, but it is still not clear.

No, there really haven't been any signs that I can see. Like, not at all. Much the opposite, In fact... IMO what Martin does w/ Jon and Arya is similar to what he does w/ Brienne and Dunk... the only two characters we meet that embody knighthood are two people who aren't "true knights". And .Jon and Arya have the perfect big brother/little sister relationship, only they aren't brother and sister. ;)

 

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What about the other things? Strom King and AA legend ... Can AA not really be a hero?

IMO everything points to AA not being a hero at all... :dunno:

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20 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

No, there really haven't been any signs that I can see. Like, not at all. Much the opposite, In fact... IMO what Martin does w/ Jon and Arya is similar to what he does w/ Brienne and Dunk... the only two characters we meet that embody knighthood are two people who aren't "true knights". And .Jon and Arya have the perfect big brother/little sister relationship, only they aren't brother and sister. ;)

 

I belive there are some many things :) 

 

 

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