Stormking902 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 For example the Ned should have had numerous wards like Dacey Mormont this would build stronger ties with house Mormont and they would jump to get her close to Robb, and little Jon Umber to build better ties with Last Hearth, Jojen Reed and most of all Domeric Bolton before his un timely death. Domeric for instance is a no brainer since house Bolton has had a history of betrayal and building ties should be priority one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylath's Snout Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Well Roose did send Domeric to the Vale but other than that yeah sure. I think this might have been a oversight/"not wanting to clutter thing up" move on GRRM's part. Imagen AGoT with four extra kids running around Winterfell. It might just be too much to keep track of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Many wards or many hostages? Some wards are not there by choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Kings Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Sure, any house will be lucky to have any frey wards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 57 minutes ago, Frey Kings said: Sure, any house will be lucky to have any frey wards For sure! It is a great honor to be allowed to save the kids from the horrors of being a Frey, especially so if they are named Walder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Frey Kings said: Sure, any house will be lucky to have any frey wards If I was Hoster id have a few hostages I mean "wards" of the late lord Frey, I wouldnt sup with them at my table but id find room for them some where in Riverunn. Jon Arryn with such a weak heir should be fostering numerous heirs of his vassals to try and establish long lasting friendships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Stormking902 said: Jon Arryn with such a weak heir should be fostering numerous heirs of his vassals to try and establish long lasting friendships. Jon Arryn lived in King's Landing with Lysa and Robert before he died. I assume that the reason he didn't take more wards was that his duties as Hand took him most of the time. And living in the royal court, there would be already enough nobles from all Westeros to establish lasting friendships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, The hairy bear said: Jon Arryn lived in King's Landing with Lysa and Robert before he died. I assume that the reason he didn't take more wards was that his duties as Hand took him most of the time. And living in the royal court, there would be already enough nobles from all Westeros to establish lasting friendships. Yes I am aware Jon Arryn was in KL, lord Arryn is allowed to have his house hold with him it can be as small as 20 men or as large as 100 plus either or he could have had a few wards, the fact Jon was in KL might even be better for his Vassal lords since they get to see what a snakes pit KL really is and learn the game a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Frey Kings said: Sure, any house will be lucky to have any frey wards And the children of those houses would be lucky to get fostered at the Twins as long as their families don't break their oaths to Lord Walder. The Twins is not a bad place to spend a childhood. There is good fishing for one. And they can practice their archery on passing Crannogmen if things ever got boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I think GRRM has more or less admitted that this is something of an oversight on his part. Plus it would have cluttered things up, and having the Stark children isolated later on is an important part of their story. It is a bit of a plot hole though. One of many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, Nevets said: I think GRRM has more or less admitted that this is something of an oversight on his part. Plus it would have cluttered things up, and having the Stark children isolated later on is an important part of their story. It is a bit of a plot hole though. One of many. Agreed good Ser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindsayLohan Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Nevets said: I think GRRM has more or less admitted that this is something of an oversight on his part. Plus it would have cluttered things up, and having the Stark children isolated later on is an important part of their story. It is a bit of a plot hole though. One of many. With Ned I thought it was strictly a character thing. Remember how Cat looks at it? Every time Ned went to war he came back with another "son" (Jon, Theon). Ned didn't foster out any of his children, likely due to his own issues regarding the destruction of his own family. Other great houses are exchanging/fostering children. Tywin sent Jaime to squire for Lord Crakehall, and important bannerman. Jon Arryn planned to have Stannis Baratheon take Robyn as ward. Quentyn Martell was sent as ward and squire to Lord Anders Yronwood, who personally knighted Quentyn. Hoster Tully had Edmure squire for Brandon Stark in Winterfell. These houses don't have stacks of wards, squires, and noble knights laying around, but they are exchanging children and take great pride in the training and education of the youths. Even young ladies are serving as cup-bearers and pages for elder noblewomen. Jaime tells Cersei balls-out that Tommen (as the fucking KING) needs to be a squire, and suggests the Knight of the Flowers. The same applies to middle and lesser noble houses. Jon Arryn took Petyr Baelish as ward, an honor for an old wartime friend. Domeric Bolton was a page for Barbrey Dustin, then squired for Lord Redfort in the Vale. Young Lord Edric Dayne served as page to Beric Dondarrion from age 7 to 10, then became Beric's squire. It goes on and on... Ned is the exception, not the rule. And I get the feeling that Brandon and Rickon would have likely found their way to another northern house, or the Vale. But otherwise, there is a great deal of exchanging wards among Westerosi nobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 For the sake of simplicity and plot advance they don't. Factual don't. In Martinsworld, I doubt several big families have wards of its principal bannermen. It just adds noise to the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FictionIsntReal Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Ned also seemed tardy in arranging betrothals for his kids. Perhaps a reluctance to let any of the kids go before it was absolutely necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Kings Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 14 hours ago, Widowmaker 811 said: And the children of those houses would be lucky to get fostered at the Twins as long as their families don't break their oaths to Lord Walder. The Twins is not a bad place to spend a childhood. There is good fishing for one. And they can practice their archery on passing Crannogmen if things ever got boring. Another plus for warding at the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kandrax Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Someone needs to feed wards. Imagine if every house in North gives a ward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylath's Snout Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Kandrax said: Someone needs to feed wards. Imagine if every house in North gives a ward. That would be what about 60-ish kids. But Winterfell is huge and seems to have hundreds of staff. Feeding those kids wouldn't be a problem. Looking after them all without slighting anyone might be however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Kandrax said: Someone needs to feed wards. Imagine if every house in North gives a ward. Winterfell wouldnt be taking in every Vassals child just the ones they wanna build or improve ties with so taking Manderlys granddaughter, Domeric Bolton, lil Jon Umber, Dacey Mormont, perhaps a few mountain clans heirs, ETC. To feed another 10 people or so isnt gonna make a difference to the Starks in the least, its only food and the Starks have enough of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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