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3 minutes ago, red snow said:

I see where you're coming from eg they should have all appeared as villains in Batman/shazam/green arrow etc first? It might have helped in the sense people would be more interested but they'd have arguably been more disappointed too.

That is what I meant. And they didn t even need to be the main villains in those movies...

And I think birds of prey seems to have the same problem. Too many characters we don t care about and that people that aren t fans of the comics don t know. If they try to sell the movie because it has those characters (as is usual in super hero movies) it will suck.

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29 minutes ago, divica said:

We can see in that trailer that birds of prey is already promoting the heroines that will enter the movie instead of any kind of story that would gather those people.


That's because they haven't filmed any of the story yet. It's more of announcement than a trailer.


And superhero films can try to explain origins but they don't have to.

All that stuff you said about GotG vs Suicide Squad/JL really just comes down to 'well made vs badly made'. A well made movie will make you care about its characters even if they haven't appeared elsewhere- what you're talking about there is really just about marketing, and Suicide Squad had no problem with that side.

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It's a really good point actually. The vast majority of movies seem to be able to create characters that you manage to care about without the need for some sort of origin story or previous set up. That is the role of good writing and acting. 

Suicide Squad or Justice League really could have worked just fine without any set up or backstory. There are many fantastic ensemble movies that didn't need previous movies to make them work. Oceans 11, Seven Samurai, Maginificent 7.. or even movies like say Predator where I have a real love and sense of the characters despite them barely having screen time or saying very much. Not every character has to be fleshed out and we don't need to have their lives detailed in order for us to understand who they are and what they represent.

 

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16 hours ago, Bastard of Boston said:

Didn't see the Batman announcement coming :o :P. About 3 years in the making from him writing, directing and starring to directing and starring, to starring and now probably wanting to have himself digitally removed from previous films. It's a shame as I think he had a lot of potential in the role - especially if it had been his own creation regarding screenplay and directing.

 

Gunn directing doesn't seem a big surprise either but this is welcome news. Gunn's approach to unwilling characters thrown together has a proven track record - if suicide squad allows him to inject some of his darker ideas from earlier films (and not his tweets) this sounds genuinely promising. We all know that Bautista will be in it and no doubt have a starring role. Bane maybe? Be good to see Bautista do intelligent rather than comic relief. Although I guess it's a rule Harley Quinn still needs to be in it. Good PR move by WB after the somewhat sour taste left by Disney's move. Let's hope Disney never winds up owning everything or there'll be no-where for their blacklisted creators to run,

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My biggest issue with the movies in the DCEU is the poor utilization of its villains. Most are boring  and die at the movie or simply only entertaining in that they could be made fun of. Truth be told I don’t think they really have  presented any good villains as of yet. I find Leto’s joker to be the worst. Given that the DCEU Batman has been shown to be shown to not really caring about killing so I don’t see why he in particular hasn’t snapped Leto’s neck already. Leto’s existence actually makes Batman a more inconsistent character here. 

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On 2/2/2019 at 1:27 AM, Varysblackfyre321 said:

My biggest issue with the movies in the DCEU is the poor utilization of its villains. Most are boring  and die at the movie or simply only entertaining in that they could be made fun of. Truth be told I don’t think they really have  presented any good villains as of yet. I find Leto’s joker to be the worst. Given that the DCEU Batman has been shown to be shown to not really caring about killing so I don’t see why he in particular hasn’t snapped Leto’s neck already. Leto’s existence actually makes Batman a more inconsistent character here. 

To be fair the same criticism could be leveled at the vast majority of marvel films yet i still enjoy them so I'm not sure this is the fundamental problem i've been experiencing with the DC films. 

Batman was a decent villain in bvs and suicide squad. 

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Just now, red snow said:

To be fair the same criticism could be leveled at the vast majority of marvel films yet i still enjoy them so I'm not sure this is the fundamental problem i've been experiencing with the DC films. 

Batman was a decent villain in bvs and suicide squad. 

Yeah, but Marvel had Loki for a number of years. And Marvel  also has been hyping up Thanos way more effectively  than the DCEU has been hyping up Darkseid. And Batman was a protagonist in BVS and his appearance in SS was basically a cameo. Even if was doing something bad, rather than arresting murderers and thieves, in SS I don’t see him being a good villain.

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On 2/2/2019 at 1:27 AM, Varysblackfyre321 said:

My biggest issue with the movies in the DCEU is the poor utilization of its villains. Most are boring  and die at the movie or simply only entertaining in that they could be made fun of. Truth be told I don’t think they really have  presented any good villains as of yet. I find Leto’s joker to be the worst. Given that the DCEU Batman has been shown to be shown to not really caring about killing so I don’t see why he in particular hasn’t snapped Leto’s neck already. Leto’s existence actually makes Batman a more inconsistent character here. 

I don't think it's their biggest problem by a long shot. I'd put it behind bad scripts, bad cgi, rushed storytelling, building a universe over telling a story, Zach Snyder..

MCU has managed to get out some good movies despite rarely having a decent villain in any of them. 

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So, there's not only an Aquaman sequel but a spinoff. Based around... the trench creatures.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/an-aquaman-spinoff-is-happening-without-any-of-aquamans-1832474996

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Writers Noah Gardner and Aidan Fitzgerald have been hired to write The Trench, a horror-themed DC movie focused on the creatures who attack Arthur (Jason Momoa) and Mera (Amber Heard) toward the end of Aquaman. All that’s known about the film, according to the Hollywood Reporter, is that “it will be set in the kingdom of the Trench and will not feature the main cast of Aquaman.”

That seems random.

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It's because Geoff Johns is still involved in producing and organising the DC films and The Trench is his baby and it's been pushed quite hard in the comics to since he intro'd it and while he's been one of the key creative decision-makers for the comic line.

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On 2/3/2019 at 1:53 AM, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Yeah, but Marvel had Loki for a number of years. And Marvel  also has been hyping up Thanos way more effectively  than the DCEU has been hyping up Darkseid. And Batman was a protagonist in BVS and his appearance in SS was basically a cameo. Even if was doing something bad, rather than arresting murderers and thieves, in SS I don’t see him being a good villain.

I was more joking about the fact that Affleck Batman is far darker/evil 

 

29 minutes ago, mormont said:

So, there's not only an Aquaman sequel but a spinoff. Based around... the trench creatures.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/an-aquaman-spinoff-is-happening-without-any-of-aquamans-1832474996

That seems random.

sounds to me like it's probably directed more towards the Asian market which proved very lucrative - a bit like how a lot of the transformers and pacific rim sequels were targeted for them

Cameron will be frustrated that all these underwater fantasy films are coming out before his avatar sequels as the guy is obsessed with the ocean and rumour was a sequel would feature underwater civilizations. Guess that's what happens when you take ten years to make a sequel

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35 minutes ago, mormont said:

So, there's not only an Aquaman sequel but a spinoff. Based around... the trench creatures.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/an-aquaman-spinoff-is-happening-without-any-of-aquamans-1832474996

That seems random.

 

13 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

It's because Geoff Johns is still involved in producing and organising the DC films and The Trench is his baby and it's been pushed quite hard in the comics to since he intro'd it and while he's been one of the key creative decision-makers for the comic line.

Are those the creepy crustacean things from the trailer? I think they were on a boat or something? They looked wicked cool, literally cooler than anything else in the DCEU. 

They reminded me of one of Davy Jones' lieutenants in the second and third Pirates movies, the one whose head was basically a clam covered in coral.

2 minutes ago, red snow said:

 

 

 

Cameron will be frustrated that all these underwater fantasy films are coming out before his avatar sequels as the guy is obsessed with the ocean and rumour was a sequel would feature underwater civilizations. Guess that's what happens when you take ten years to make a sequel

Give the guy a break! Those Terminator: Genysis movies can't betray audiences' trust by themselves! 

That was probably back breaking labor, all those interviews about how good it was. Carrying a weight like that on your conscience can really fuck up your spine bro!

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Saw a Shazam trailer when I went to see Alita: Battle Angel last night (6.5/10 for Alita BTW). It's the first trailer that made me think Shazam would be worth seeing. So my chances of seeing Shazam at the movies have gone from below 50% to above 50% now. As I am not a fan of Shazam, nor read a single comic featuring the character, my decision will rest a lot more on reviews than for other Superhero movies.

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On 2/4/2019 at 3:18 AM, Heartofice said:

I don't think it's their biggest problem by a long shot. I'd put it behind bad scripts, bad cgi, rushed storytelling, building a universe over telling a story, Zach Snyder..

MCU has managed to get out some good movies despite rarely having a decent villain in any of them. 

I’ll be honest I find most of the MCU movies to be mediocre story-wise. The great ones have complimentary villains to the hero(oes).Infinity war was great because the villain was great

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11 hours ago, Bastard of Boston said:

The other Captain Marvel wants you to know he has a movie coming out, too.

I dug this.

I thought this looked a lot better than the first trailer. It still has a bit of a low budget look, but the more humour in this the better IMO

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It's looking really fun, even if I don't like the version of Sivana they've gone for (much prefer him as a ludicriously OTT mad scientist caricature tbh, and it feels like that version would suit the tone of this film better too). That's the only downside though and I'm sure he'll still be fine.
 

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