European Union Copy Rights Article 13

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The EU parliament has rejected the directive for now.  It will now have to be revised before it's voted on again.

[Werthead]

The law has been presented here as an added protection for people, especially musicians, as it will allow them to charge YouTube every time a video is streamed of a band. The band should get a slice of any adverting revenue generated by the stream. The other concerns over memes and satire have very much been brushed under the carpet.

For example, I believe this rule would basically make something like the Bad Lip Synching YouTube channel impossible.

[Squab]

When you're so authoritarian you want to ban memes by saying you're protecting people

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[A Horse Named Stranger]

No, not exactly. First of all let's be clear it was a pretty bad piece of legislation, mildly put.

The idea was to protect intellectual property and give the authors of such a cut of the profits is also not bad in general.

One of the beneficiaries should've been newspapers, and their income from advertisers. Again, the law as proposed was rubbish, however I still think it's worth mentioning what one motif was.

As you may or may not know, newspapers around the world are struggling, because their old business model, subscribtion and advertisement for news coverage is not what it used to be. The internet being a factor, if not the main factor.

Subscribtion numbers drop(ped) because you can basically get the content for free on the internet. So what to do online editions? Now then, there we have google and facebook skimming the lions share of the advertisement income (90-95% was an estimate I heard). So you can see how the papers are struggling. add to that google and facebook with their big data and tracking have the ability to micro target you as a customer, something your newspaper can't do. As a result, a lot of papers have entered a faustian bargain with google, hiring them for advertisements, which gives google 60% (?) of the cut.

Now then, what does that have to do with the copy rights article 13?

You want to read something about a current issue, you enter it on your search engine (usually google). google display the first few sentences or the first paragraph and redirects you to the papers. Some readers already disengage and are not bothered to follow the link after they reaed the introduction, thus are not clicking on the news paper link, thus google made some cash of the newspaper content, the paper (original creator) gets nothing. Thus the idea of upload filters.

 

[Squab]

Lol. It passed.

[Spring Bass]

That's pretty bad news. If you have an internet forum or website with comments based in the EU, better hope this doesn't end up ultimately going into law - otherwise you're going to have to pre-post moderate every comment to make sure nobody is posting copy-righted content (or put it through a Content ID filter).

 

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

On 9/12/2018 at 11:07 PM, Squab said:

Lol. It passed.

That’s not funny, it sucks

[Errant Bard]

15 hours ago, All Souls Bass said:

That's pretty bad news. If you have an internet forum or website with comments based in the EU, better hope this doesn't end up ultimately going into law - otherwise you're going to have to pre-post moderate every comment to make sure nobody is posting copy-righted content (or put it through a Content ID filter).

 

This is so going to backfire. Sad, but the GAFAM/BATX will surely be the ones selling content-id recognition services, platforms not wanting to deal with that will simply disable user generated content, or more likely emigrate outside EU.

Meanwhile, rich organisations will be able to sue anyone they want shut down, on copyright grounds ( their targets don't have money to fight them, even if wrongly sued) 

Also art 11, in an attempt to save an outdated press model, will shackle the press to the platforms willing to pay them instead of dropping them, while at the same time potentially sinking actual documented works, including sourced journalism, blogs, or, heh, wikipedia.

Welp, good bye european internet, good bye european free press on internet, goodbye small internet players, you're now slaves to the big commercial platforms, or you're fleeing. And when the deplorables in Brussel notice that they blew it, no doubt they will clamour for some more restrictions, China-like, no doubt. What a bunch of tossers.

Maybe the (not so) United Kingdom will be able to seize that opportunity after the hard Brexit, though.

[Spring Bass]

If they really want to try and screw things up even more, they could forcing global companies with a presence in Europe to abide it (just like they're trying with the Right to Be Forgotten*). A bunch of big sites might just straight-up geoblock continential European IP addresses to avoid that. 

 

* I actually like the idea of that right, don't get me wrong. 

[Larry of the Lawn]

8 hours ago, All Souls Bass said:

If they really want to try and screw things up even more, they could forcing global companies with a presence in Europe to abide it (just like they're trying with the Right to Be Forgotten*). A bunch of big sites might just straight-up geoblock continential European IP addresses to avoid that. 

 

* I actually like the idea of that right, don't get me wrong. 

Just wanted to say I love the new av/handle dude, good taste ya got there

[Spring Bass]

4 hours ago, larrytheimp said:

Just wanted to say I love the new av/handle dude, good taste ya got there

Thank you! 'Tis the season (almost).

[Squab]

On 9/15/2018 at 7:14 AM, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That’s not funny, it sucks

The EU is such a joke, i had to laugh. Its almost inconceivable that someone would want out...

[Errant Bard]

6 hours ago, Squab said:

The EU is such a joke, i had to laugh. Its almost inconceivable that someone would want out...

BS, they may be misguided and subject to the influence of big lobbies, but they're not worse than a smaller, weaker government forgoing regulations in favour of unbridled capitalism.

[Squab]

44 minutes ago, Errant Bard said:

BS, they may be misguided and subject to the influence of big lobbies, but they're not worse than a smaller, weaker government forgoing regulations in favour of unbridled capitalism.

lol, another layer of government. Yep that'll fix it. 

[Errant Bard]

5 hours ago, Squab said:

lol, another layer of government. Yep that'll fix it. 

Fix what? 

[Alarich II]

5 hours ago, Squab said:

lol, another layer of government. Yep that'll fix it. 

It isn't another layer, I know, you actually have to understand the system, but the EU basically replaces one layer (national government) in certain, agreed upon areas. And in most cases, the EU-law is in fact administered by national governments and their administration. It's hard to believe, but the EU as a whole employs not even 50.000 people, which is less than the City of London and only a bit more than the City of Birmingham.

As to the question, wether the EU is a joke or not: 27 squabbling nations do look like a joke at times. But then again, so do most national governments at times. Once they start treating with the EU though, they find themselves facing a pretty tough wall of negotiation-pros who in 198 out of approximately 200 times have more economic leverage than they. And what used to look like a joke is in fact not so funny anymore. Just look at how the Brexiteers predictions on the negotiations would go and how they actually went. And that's from a bunch of people who should've known what they're facing. Although, to be fair: the EU was tasked to negotiate trade and association deals for all EU countries, and so the UK did not build up it's own pool of professionals in these areas (or at least not to that extend). Boris et al. probably underestimated the amount of actual hard and boring but necessary, professional bureaucratic work that goes into these kind of negotiations. 

So yeah, it is easy to talk about the EU being a joke, but foolish to believe that talk.

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Some good news for a change: The council has rejected the directive.