Stormking902 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Before house Targaryan the 7 kingdoms wared with each other off and on for quite litterally thousands of years, trading lands from one hand to another no-one truly becoming the most powerful king. House Hoare managed to seize the Riverlands and according to there sigil the Arbor and Bear island and even a chunk of the Stormlands, but they were hated and looked down upon even with all of there strength. My question is simple could any house besides an outsider like the Targs truly conquer Westeros and not have all the other great lords plotting on your down fall because they think there house is better?. Bobby B did it but thats because he had Targ blood and alliances with many strong allies to support his reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Probably not. The biggest part of what held the seven kingdoms together after the death of the dragons was the myth of the Targaryens being more than human. It would be very hard for any of the great houses to sustain a hegemony over the others, as they are peers. They would not easily accept one of them to achieve supremacy. If the Baratheons had managed to remain in power for a couple of generations a similar would start to develop for them. But it was not meant to be. Of course Dany and her dragons seem poised to revive the myth in full force. I think I would agree that either Dany rules the seven kingdoms, or they are not viable as a unified political entity, which is questionable to what degree they have been considering the amount of power the great houses have over their territories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Kings Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Only House Frey. They're smart, practically, loyal & dont go running off into wars because someone got their head chopped off or if a lady & the guy ran off together and the betrothed got all butthurt and start a rebellion over it. We Stand Together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Frey Kings said: Only House Frey. They're smart, practically, loyal & dont go running off into wars because someone got their head chopped off or if a lady & the guy ran off together and the betrothed got all butthurt and start a rebellion over it. We Stand Together 600 years later and house Frey is still looked down by their peers and for good reason house Frey are complete scum, and you claim they are loyal? Where was there loyalty to their leige lord during Roberts rebellion? Where was there loyalty when Robb wanted to cross there bridge to relieve the siege of their leige Lord? No marriage deals should have been needed just hit duty alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Frey Kings said: Only House Frey. They're smart, practically, loyal & dont go running off into wars because someone got their head chopped off or if a lady & the guy ran off together and the betrothed got all butthurt and start a rebellion over it. We Stand Together Rule over Tormunds hairy butt crack at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 No. Aegon conquered with weapons of mass destruction (dragons) and his descendants hung on to power for a few generations after the dragons died, largely because of Targaryen mystique. No current houses possess weapons of mass destruction so the continent will resume regional rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 On 6/15/2018 at 7:38 AM, The Sleeper said: Probably not. The biggest part of what held the seven kingdoms together after the death of the dragons was the myth of the Targaryens being more than human. It would be very hard for any of the great houses to sustain a hegemony over the others, as they are peers. They would not easily accept one of them to achieve supremacy. If the Baratheons had managed to remain in power for a couple of generations a similar would start to develop for them. But it was not meant to be. Of course Dany and her dragons seem poised to revive the myth in full force. I think I would agree that either Dany rules the seven kingdoms, or they are not viable as a unified political entity, which is questionable to what degree they have been considering the amount of power the great houses have over their territories. I agree. There are also thounsand-year-old grudges between these noble houses that can keep them from having peaceful relations with one another. Doubtful to me if the Brackens could ever agree to subordinate themselves to the Blackwoods, to use an analogy. Somebody from the outside who is not one of the original great houses and seen to have no partiality and no prejudice make for the best ruler. Only the Targaryens managed to take down Harren Hoare and it looks like only a Targaryen can take down Euron Greyjoy. The houses are weak on their own but together they may be able to put up a better defense against the White Walkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 On 6/15/2018 at 7:56 AM, Frey Kings said: Only House Frey. They're smart, practically, loyal & dont go running off into wars because someone got their head chopped off or if a lady & the guy ran off together and the betrothed got all butthurt and start a rebellion over it. We Stand Together Haha, I know you're being comical here and I appreciate it. But you are right about the Freys being smart about things. Walder is said to be petty and easily offended but that is true of all the lords. He would have swallowed his pride and stuck with Robb if the young boob still had a good chance of winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 On 6/15/2018 at 6:45 AM, Stormking902 said: Before house Targaryan the 7 kingdoms wared with each other off and on for quite litterally thousands of years, trading lands from one hand to another no-one truly becoming the most powerful king. House Hoare managed to seize the Riverlands and according to there sigil the Arbor and Bear island and even a chunk of the Stormlands, but they were hated and looked down upon even with all of there strength. My question is simple could any house besides an outsider like the Targs truly conquer Westeros and not have all the other great lords plotting on your down fall because they think there house is better?. Bobby B did it but thats because he had Targ blood and alliances with many strong allies to support his reign. The lords and ladies of Westeros value bloodline and they base their right to rule over others by virtue of their nobility. What could be more noble than the Targaryens who descend from a long line of Valyrian Dragonlords. The dragons made it possible to conquer the small, quarrelsome little kingdoms and build one united land. Three hundred years of unbroken and largely stable rule built the Targaryen legacy and established their right to rule over their land. The Targaryens in large part allowed these lords to continue to run things as they had been but made them answerable to one monarch. The laws became more uniform (like making the tradition of the first night illegal) and more consistent across the land instead of depending on the whims of the regional lord. House Targaryen had the advantage of starting strong. Aegon and his sisters didn't need to be propped up by another noble house. None of the houses they're about to rule had a political leverage on them. They gave up polygamy and accepted the Faith but that is not the same thing as having to depend on what should be a vassal house in order to get your reign off the ground. Robert started off weak and he had to be supported by Jon Arryn and the Lannisters. It didn't help that Robert was bad at ruling (despite what the TV show tried to portray) and turned a surplus into a considerable debt to the creditors (Iron Bank and the Lannisters). This and Robert's dependence on the Lannisters caused an end to the short reign of the Baratheons. While there have been unskilled Targaryen rulers of the past, they did not come into power until the dynasty had been firmly established. Robert and Stannis are not and would not make good rulers. At no point during the Targaryen rule did the kingdom ever got as bad as it is now. We can debate the reign of each monarch of the last three hundred years and judge each of them. But it is correct to say that despite their flaws, House Targaryen did a good job of ruling Westeros. The worst of the dragon monarchs, Aegon IV, caused the Blackfyre rebellions but it never got as bad as the War of the Five kings. There were always capable Targaryen administrators like Brynden Rivers to handle the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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