Tywin and Rhaella?

[Ser Leftwich]

For all the speculation about which of the Lannister's may be the son of Aerys II. What about the possibility that Rhaegar was in fact Tywin's son. Tywin was in/frequented King's Landing (time as a cupbearer and then in court in general, completely reasonable for him to have been there at the time of Rhaegar's conception).

(Or is this just too close to the case of Josua Lackhand?)

[Lord Lannister]

While it's heavily hinted that Tywin may have routinely frequented prostitutes, that tunnel from the Tower of the Hand to the bordello coupled with his general overcompensating attitude towards whores, I can't think of any textual evidence that Tywin and Rhaella had anything to do with one another.

[Lord Varys]

Far to the contrary, Rhaella seems to have been a faithful sister-wife, looking down on women who actually allowed themselves to be turned into whores.

The guy she would have liked to marry was Ser Bonifer Hasty, but even in his case there is no hint that they actually had an affair. They had feelings for each other, but these two seem to have been both the kind of people who would only enter into a proper relationship (i.e. a marriage), not starting some ill-fated, wrong affair destroying the honor of the princess and making the humble knight look as if he overreached himself.

[Ser Leftwich]

8 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

Far to the contrary, Rhaella seems to have been a faithful sister-wife, looking down on women who actually allowed themselves to be turned into whores.

The guy she would have liked to marry was Ser Bonifer Hasty, but even in his case there is no hint that they actually had an affair. They had feelings for each other, but these two seem to have been both the kind of people who would only enter into a proper relationship (i.e. a marriage), not starting some ill-fated, wrong affair destroying the honor of the princess and making the humble knight look as if he overreached himself.

Most of our information about Rhaella comes from the World of I&F and from Selmy, neither of which are very reliable and the the WoI&F is downright biased to be pro-Lannister (much of that sourced from Pycelle).

While Hasty and Rahella may have interest, it would have been more difficult for them to carry on romantically than it would have been for Tywin.

This also present the possibility that Rhaegar is not actually of the line of Aerys and Rhaella and therefore not the PTWP.

Even more ludicrously, Rhaegar found out himself and was somehow using this knowledge to his advantage.

[Lord Varys]

4 minutes ago, Ser Leftwich said:

Most of our information about Rhaella comes from the World of I&F and from Selmy, neither of which are very reliable and the the WoI&F is downright biased to be pro-Lannister (much of that sourced from Pycelle).

They are both more reliable than idle speculation done by people who do not, in fact, live in Westeros. Yandel doesn't really talk about Hasty and Rhaella, anyway. And I really don't see a reason why Selmy's story about Rhaella's true love shouldn't be true.

And Pycelle isn't really that bad of a source, either. We don't need TWoIaF to know that Aerys II was less than an ideal king and Tywin a pretty good Hand.

4 minutes ago, Ser Leftwich said:

While Hasty and Rahella may have interest, it would have been more difficult for them to carry on romantically than it would have been for Tywin.

Still, no reason to believe Tywin gave shit about Rhaella and vice versa, no?

[LindsayLohan]

Wasn't it Rhaella who chastened Aerys about the treatment of her serving girls? 

[Dorian Martell's son]

23 hours ago, Ser Leftwich said:

For all the speculation about which of the Lannister's may be the son of Aerys II. What about the possibility that Rhaegar was in fact Tywin's son. Tywin was in/frequented King's Landing (time as a cupbearer and then in court in general, completely reasonable for him to have been there at the time of Rhaegar's conception).

(Or is this just too close to the case of Josua Lackhand?)

Holy crap we need Winds to get published  

[FictionIsntReal]

8 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

They are both more reliable than idle speculation done by people who do not, in fact, live in Westeros. Yandel doesn't really talk about Hasty and Rhaella, anyway. And I really don't see a reason why Selmy's story about Rhaella's true love shouldn't be true.

As joannalannister pointed out, Rhaella woud have been 11-12 or 12-13 at the time of this infatuation. Hasty would have been considerably older, but then Jeyne Poole is presented as being in love with Beric Dondarrion while Sansa considers him too old. Barristan himself was in love with an inaccessible & much younger noble girl at a tourney, and since he doesn't have any particular reason to know what was in Rhaella's head he could be projecting. But I suppose the Doylist response would be that GRRM only put that in there with negligible odds it would be disconfirmed because he wanted his audience to take it seriously.

[Lord Varys]

5 hours ago, FictionIsntReal said:

As joannalannister pointed out, Rhaella woud have been 11-12 or 12-13 at the time of this infatuation. Hasty would have been considerably older, but then Jeyne Poole is presented as being in love with Beric Dondarrion while Sansa considers him too old. Barristan himself was in love with an inaccessible & much younger noble girl at a tourney, and since he doesn't have any particular reason to know what was in Rhaella's head he could be projecting. But I suppose the Doylist response would be that GRRM only put that in there with negligible odds it would be disconfirmed because he wanted his audience to take it seriously.

Selmy may not have been at court/at all the tourneys where Princess Rhaella saw Bonifer Hasty, but Hasty is from the Stormlands, just as Selmy is, and thus it wouldn't have been that hard for him to get real, firsthand information from Hasty himself, or his family and friends on the whole issue.

Selmy's own infatuation with Ashara Dayne is a much later thing, which has nothing to do with Hasty and Rhaella. And it is public knowledge that Hasty abandoned his successful career as a tourney knight when the marriage of Aerys and Rhaella was announced, becoming the pious fellow he is today.

Rhaella's age at the time of the infatuation makes it less likely that anything real was going on there, but she was still old enough to have genuine romantic feelings (unlike, say, Cersei had for Rhaegar when Tywin talked about a marriage with Aerys - she was only 9-10 years old in 276 AC.

But Bonifer and Rhaella seem to have had the same kind of thing going Rhaegar and Lyanna had at Harrenhal (only that Rhaegar and Lyanna may have done more while they were both at Harrenhal).

[Ser Leftwich]

9 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

SNIP

But Bonifer and Rhaella seem to have had the same kind of thing going Rhaegar and Lyanna had at Harrenhal (only that Rhaegar and Lyanna may have done more while they were both at Harrenhal).

Did Lyanna give Rhaegar a token to wear? Don't think so.

That Rhaella gave a token to Bonifer is probably the only verifiable thing we know about them and would be generally known. Not sure how this is at all like Rhaegar and Lyanna at Harrenhal.