Varysblackfyre321 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 My thinking is since she was never given an end in the legend, that she will return probably reveal as the great other; what do you think? Yes, I appreciate there's not a lot to go on here and my thoughts on her return are more speculation than a solid theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphis Baratheon Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 What would be her purpose? To seduce whoever is the Lord Commander, like she did in the legend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 This puts me in mind of the Night Queen. TWOW Spoilers https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/127485-twow-spoilers-alayne-i-v-3/&do=findComment&comment=7895665 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 A possible match is already at the Wall. The LC spotted her from the top of the Wall: Quote The Myrish lenses brought the wildlings close enough for him to make out faces. Of Mance himself he saw no sign this morning, but his woman Dalla was outside tending the fire, while her sister Val milked a she-goat beside the tent Val dresses all in white and has blue eyes;she is capable of crossing wight infested territory on her own to reach Tormund and has a strange relationship with Ghost Quote They look as though they belong together. Val was clad all in white; white woolen breeches tucked into high boots of bleached white leather, white bearskin cloak pinned at the shoulder with a carved weirwood face, white tunic with bone fastenings. Her breath was white as well … but her eyes were blue, her long braid the color of dark honey, her cheeks flushed red from the cold. It had been a long while since Jon Snow had seen a sight so lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Kings Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Not Joking but I think if a N.Q. returns its Val, but I don't believe the historic N.Q. was a female other/walker that was able to get pregnant and carry the baby to term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 From where? @Lollygag, that link doesn't work (for me?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 The Night's Queen of the past could get reincarnated. My guess is it will be Arya Stark and Jon Snow will be the Night's King. The NQ didn't choose her mate randomly. It had to be the Stark lord commander. Genetic compatibility. Arya and Jon are compatible. They both have Stark blood. They look alike. Sure, one is female and the other male but they share the same long facial shape and the look of the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kandrax Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Kings Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Agent Orange said: The Night's Queen of the past could get reincarnated. My guess is it will be Arya Stark and Jon Snow will be the Night's King. The NQ didn't choose her mate randomly. It had to be the Stark lord commander. Genetic compatibility. Arya and Jon are compatible. They both have Stark blood. They look alike. Sure, one is female and the other male but they share the same long facial shape and the look of the north. ....what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Lollygag said: This puts me in mind of the Night Queen. TWOW Spoilers https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/127485-twow-spoilers-alayne-i-v-3/&do=findComment&comment=7895665 In that same chapter, Sansa refuses to dance with Harrold but eventually agrees for a dance. Who else is asked for a dance but refuses? Quote "You could dance with me, you know. It would be only courteous. You danced with me anon." "Anon?" teased Jon. "When we were children." She tore off a bit of bread and threw it at him. "As you know well." "My lady should dance with her husband." "My Magnar is not one for dancing, I fear. If you will not dance with me, at least pourme some of the mulled wine." Later he is asked for a dance again. By another Quote A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You'll dance with me anon. So if Sansa is Night's Queen Jon is most probably his king. But I am a Jon+Val shipper. And Jon has become king already, but not of the Night. Wildlings have chosen him to be their king and the half-wildling hill clans too. Soon the rest of the Northman will join as well. Jonwill break the NW just as Joramun and Brandon the Breaker did, or Wildlings and Northman will do so for the attack on their Savior and Honorable Neds son. So no night queen I think, at least not for very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagganaro Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 13 hours ago, Tucu said: A possible match is already at the Wall. The LC spotted her from the top of the Wall: Val dresses all in white and has blue eyes;she is capable of crossing wight infested territory on her own to reach Tormund and has a strange relationship with Ghost Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking as well. The passages you quoted were certainly evocative of the Night's Queen. I also still find it ridiculous that Val was somehow able to travel through the Haunted Forest completely alone to find Tormund- we know the Others and White Walkers are all around and have been picking off stragglers from Tormund's band relentlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: My thinking is since she was never given an end in the legend, that she will return probably reveal as the great other; what do you think? Yes, I appreciate there's not a lot to go on here and my thoughts on her return are more speculation than a solid theory. The Night Queen's DNA is alive and well today, in the Starks and in Craster's children. This is very likely the best explanation for why the White walkers wanted Craster's children. These children are the descendants of the Night Queen and her Stark mate, the Night's King. Blood and kin play major roles in the plot. It's about family. The NK, NQ, Craster, and Starks being of the same family fits nicely. Jon is the obvious Night's King. I read an idea that suggested the NQ's body is entombed in the Winterfell crypts in a state of preservation. Hence, the reason the crypts call out to Jon Snow. The Starks of the old days were actual allies of the NK and NQ and secretly preserved her remains and wiped the story from history to keep their secret. Some ancient agreement existed between the White walkers and the Starks that helped the family defeat the other houses for control of the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 15 hours ago, kissdbyfire said: From where? @Lollygag, that link doesn't work (for me?). It's from a post in TWOW forum page. Not sure why it didn't link but I tested by copy/pasting into the browser address box and it works fine that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 11 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: In that same chapter, Sansa refuses to dance with Harrold but eventually agrees for a dance. Who else is asked for a dance but refuses? Later he is asked for a dance again. By another So if Sansa is Night's Queen Jon is most probably his king. But I am a Jon+Val shipper. And Jon has become king already, but not of the Night. Wildlings have chosen him to be their king and the half-wildling hill clans too. Soon the rest of the Northman will join as well. Jonwill break the NW just as Joramun and Brandon the Breaker did, or Wildlings and Northman will do so for the attack on their Savior and Honorable Neds son. So no night queen I think, at least not for very long. Yeah, I can't wrap my mind around how that might work out. Suspect it's just a parallel of some sort, but I do think the Night Queen will come up in a big way at least figuratively somehow. It's an odd, odd passage. TWOW Spoilers: Spoiler One could maybe argue that Sansa is the NQ here and LF represents the seduced which would be interesting given he takes on the Stark role when he says Winter is Coming. Also interesting that Mel/Stannis is implied here, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Lovejoy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Great topic! If my flight wasn't about to take-off I'd spend more time on it. I've written this elsewhere before and don't have time to look it up, but I definitely could see Val as Night's Queen with Stannis as Night's King. I will come back to this with details on how this would happen. I also don't believe that the historical Night's Queen was anything but a wildling human, if she even existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherFromAnotherMother Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 The Night's Queen is an archetype. Several characters in our story fill this archetype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Marsh Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The Night King is a show only creation. He was inspired by the legend of the NK from the books. I don't think we will get to see the NQ in the books because we never got the NK. Jon Snow will play the same antagonists role that the NK did in the past. That of a lord commander whose love led him astray from his job and had to be destroyed for the good of the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bowen Marsh said: The Night King is a show only creation. He was inspired by the legend of the NK from the books. I don't think we will get to see the NQ in the books because we never got the NK. Jon Snow will play the same antagonists role that the NK did in the past. That of a lord commander whose love led him astray from his job and had to be destroyed for the good of the realm. Nah. The NK is Voldemort. ADWD Victarion I "Your red god will have his due," he promised Moqorro, "but the seas are ruled by the Drowned God." "There are no gods but R'hllor and the Other, whose name may not be said." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Marsh Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Lollygag said: Nah. The NK is Voldemort. ADWD Victarion I "Your red god will have his due," he promised Moqorro, "but the seas are ruled by the Drowned God." "There are no gods but R'hllor and the Other, whose name may not be said." Nah, it's not Voldemort. Oh no. Best ye listen, guvnor. He's much, much worse. The villain at the wall this time around will be its lord commander, Jon Snow. I took care of im for ya. For the watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 4:47 PM, Varysblackfyre321 said: My thinking is since she was never given an end in the legend, that she will return probably reveal as the great other; what do you think? Yes, I appreciate there's not a lot to go on here and my thoughts on her return are more speculation than a solid theory. Nah. She is a figure of old legend. A Snark or a Grumkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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