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Alex Gu

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3 hours ago, Alex Gu said:

How would you undermine baelish influence, power,wealth,and rank/position as master of coin as another  menbers of the small council exept for varys or pycelle?

Im sure many tried

The problem is the person you undermine him to doesnt care(robert) as long as he keeps the coins comming ! In the vale hes replaced all useless low level  aristocratic tax collectors with low born but much nore efficent men of his own so maybe the guys out of a job  hold some secrets and a grudge 

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It really depends on when. Lysa Arryn is probably his biggest weakness during Robert's reign. Exposing even rumors of impropriety to Jon could net a result, as Robert is unlikely to do anything. During Joffrey's realm things get easier. I was actually surprised his constant sniffing around Sansa didn't land him in trouble. I'm not sure what is worse, possible collaboration with the northern rebels or messing around with Joffrey's toy. By the time Tommen is king, he's largely isolated himself in the Vale seeming content to be a big fish in a smaller pond.

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The way to gain the upperhand with Baelish would be to discover his secrets. Send detectives out to Riverrun, where servants would remember his childhood. Apparently he bragged about deflowering Catelyn Tully, so this early attraction would be a key piece of information. Ask the servants whether Petyr was a liar about this and find out his other strengths or weaknesses or character traits.

Check with people who knew him early in his career in Gulltown. Find people who knew Jon Arryn and Hoster Tully who might discuss their motives in promoting Petyr's rise in the bureaucracy. Maybe even check with House Corbray about Petyr's story of his grandfather as a sellsword. Send agents to Essos to find out what he did in his time there - I believe he recuperated there after his duel with Brandon Stark.

You probably couldn't make inquiries in King's Landing or the Fingers without being discovered by Littlefinger's informers, and all of the other information gathering would have to be very careful and discrete.

Once you know as much as possible about his background, use his secrets to understand his motives in the present day. Is your goal really to bring him down, or just to blackmail him?

I strongly suspect that Baelish is a hidden Targ or Velaryon. So he probably has hidden allies that have little or nothing to do with his skill at financial management. He may also have personal alliances with the Bank of Braavos and the Faceless Men. Tread carefully.

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Why undermine Littlefinger?  He's friendly to all and a threat to none.  Robert and Jon were poor at finance.  Littlefinger kept the song playing and the wine flowing for Robert.  Jon didn't understand finances as well as LF. LF was weakening the Starks, Baratheons, Tullys, and Lannisters so it fits with what Varys wanted.   Let's not stop Littlefinger.  Let him continue to undermine those families.  Let him use up Sansa until he needs her no more.  Let him drive the realm to chaos to make it easier for the Targaryen return.  

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