Mladen Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 All right... I have just finished Season 4 and what a marvelous journey it has been. It was intense from first to the very last frame. And they ended on such a cliffhanger that I can't wait for Season 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Martini Sigil said: ... Burn Gorman is a classic asshole He's a fookin' legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Generally great stuff but bit iffy on the choice for the ending. Spoiler I think it's far more effective when you don't know what's coming. If they wanted to do the foreshadowing, they could have followed the suggestion that the rocks are headed to Ceres and Tycho and spent early Season 5 setting that up rather than the real target. Looks like they've also increased the rocks from three to eight, which seems like an OTT escalation. Interesting question now if they can get Jared Harris back to do more episodes. Clever how they kept mentioning him and Johnson without showing either, so you thought neither were going to appear, then they managed to get Coleman back for one episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowKnight Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Werthead said: Generally great stuff but bit iffy on the choice for the ending. Reveal hidden contents I think it's far more effective when you don't know what's coming. If they wanted to do the foreshadowing, they could have followed the suggestion that the rocks are headed to Ceres and Tycho and spent early Season 5 setting that up rather than the real target. Looks like they've also increased the rocks from three to eight, which seems like an OTT escalation. Interesting question now if they can get Jared Harris back to do more episodes. Clever how they kept mentioning him and Johnson without showing either, so you thought neither were going to appear, then they managed to get Coleman back for one episode. Spoiler Yeah I agree. I also feel like a lot of impact is going to be lost by not having Amos on the planet when the rocks hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Werthead said: Generally great stuff but bit iffy on the choice for the ending. Hide contents I think it's far more effective when you don't know what's coming. If they wanted to do the foreshadowing, they could have followed the suggestion that the rocks are headed to Ceres and Tycho and spent early Season 5 setting that up rather than the real target. Looks like they've also increased the rocks from three to eight, which seems like an OTT escalation. Interesting question now if they can get Jared Harris back to do more episodes. Clever how they kept mentioning him and Johnson without showing either, so you thought neither were going to appear, then they managed to get Coleman back for one episode. Spoiler Yeah, they should have ended it with the rock being thrown, without giving us the destination. To be fair, I trust the writers enough to make the viewer believe that maybe the rocks will be stopped in time. Future book spoilers in both my hidden posts!!!!! 1 hour ago, GallowKnight said: Hide contents Yeah I agree. I also feel like a lot of impact is going to be lost by not having Amos on the planet when the rocks hit. Spoiler Don't be so sure. The rocks were thrown from the Belt, and have no thrust. Realistically, it should take them months. The Roci will presumably be under thrust the whole trip back, and even if they make a pit stop, they could still get there in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Spoiler Yeah, I can't imagine them not doing the Amos plot line on Earth because it's one of the best parts of the entire series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, briantw said: Hide contents Yeah, I can't imagine them not doing the Amos plot line on Earth because it's one of the best parts of the entire series. Spoiler Not to mention they set it up in Amos's first scene in this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leofric Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Werthead said: Generally great stuff but bit iffy on the choice for the ending. Reveal hidden contents I think it's far more effective when you don't know what's coming. If they wanted to do the foreshadowing, they could have followed the suggestion that the rocks are headed to Ceres and Tycho and spent early Season 5 setting that up rather than the real target. Looks like they've also increased the rocks from three to eight, which seems like an OTT escalation. Interesting question now if they can get Jared Harris back to do more episodes. Clever how they kept mentioning him and Johnson without showing either, so you thought neither were going to appear, then they managed to get Coleman back for one episode. They have certainly set it up for Jared Harris' return Spoiler Ashford goes out in style and Anderson Dawes loses his representative at the Ring, so makes sense for him to show up, if only to introduce Ashford's replacement for his faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Thinking about this season, I am astonished by the lack of real fear regarding 1300 new planets. From Nancy Gao to both Inners and Belters, it seems that everyone just see the opportunity and no one actually sees the danger. And as a biochemist, let me tell you, I can think of 10 different things that can go wrong with our bodies in such different surroundings, some of which have been explored by this season's narrative. I mean, we take shots when we have to go to other parts of OUR PLANET. Can you imagine what preparations your immune system would need for INTERPLANETARY migration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowKnight Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Corvinus said: Reveal hidden contents Don't be so sure. The rocks were thrown from the Belt, and have no thrust. Realistically, it should take them months. The Roci will presumably be under thrust the whole trip back, and even if they make a pit stop, they could still get there in time Well that's reassuring at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 17 hours ago, Risto said: Thinking about this season, I am astonished by the lack of real fear regarding 1300 new planets. From Nancy Gao to both Inners and Belters, it seems that everyone just see the opportunity and no one actually sees the danger. And as a biochemist, let me tell you, I can think of 10 different things that can go wrong with our bodies in such different surroundings, some of which have been explored by this season's narrative. I mean, we take shots when we have to go to other parts of OUR PLANET. Can you imagine what preparations your immune system would need for INTERPLANETARY migration? Sure, but when did scientists warning people actually ever work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I've finished it now and agree it was a great season and they absolutely managed to smooth the flaws in the source material. Book spoilers up to Nemesis Games below Spoiler That's just straight up cruel where they left Avasarala and Arjun - their last time together being in turmoil with him refusing to go to Luna with her. I found the loss of him painful enough in the book without this layered on top Just show spoilers for the end of season in this one Spoiler They absolutely got the casting right for Marco. I hate the fucker already but I can also see he's exactly the right type to seduce people into following him. Brook phrased it as he's a young Stalin type including the good looks that young Josef had. Really quite gutted about Ashford as well. They took a one note character from the book, gave him a fantastic actor and a plot line with Drummer that ends with them being friends and allies and it was a far better arc than the book. Then we get that death. He went to it like a pirate that has always known he'd walk the plank eventually, which is exactly what he was. Avasarala allowed to fully articulate her book dialogue was also fantastic. I die for Shohrehs voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The minute they introduced Marco I was ready to blow up the Hague myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The more I think about this season, the more I like it. It is such beautiful story - it is not pretentious, but speaking about big ideas kinda like Tolkien, it is imaginative but working with real people in the same vein as Martin. It's a wonderful story about humans, their ideals and their mistakes and it is so brilliant in making things complicated. This is how you do a spectacle. This is how you put the characters, their stories and growth first and then use the money you have to provide the cinematic experience we all enjoy. I am so in love with this season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbigski Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Season 4 was a slow start but at some point Ilus just gets so fucking bonkers that its awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Yeah, they really did a good job with this season, and 10 eps was just about perfect. Some thoughts on how they diverged (keeping it in spoilers for the first week or so) Spoiler Thank GOD that they got rid of that stupid "Elvi is horny and wants to fuck Holden" garbage. Expanding horniness with showing more of Wei (and showing Amos more) was entirely the right choice. I'm a bit sad we didn't get Basia or Miller's ex partner, but that's probably hard to do with other acting requirements I'm also a bit sad we don't get Naomi's attempt to sabotage the Israel and then the rescue of Naomi later, but mostly because I wanted more Naomi. As it was, she got a decent amount of action The floating fart bubble scene would have been cool tho The way they did the Miller interludes was absolutely rocking and a great way of using the visual medium Not sure Murtry needed the financial incentive as motivation. It was fine, but not amazing Wish they had kept in the death slug explanation a bit more (the idea of frogs emerging from dry environment to wet ones was a good one) I'm not sure I liked Bobbie going from martian superhero and being very much about the law to 'lets do crimes', but it gave her more action to do and that was cool. Avasarala's turn as ruthless politician was awesome. Arjun is cool and nice, but seriously dude, what did you expect? I'm not surprised she lost, and it went well with the actual events in the book and her forecasting ruin for Mars. Mostly, the best new bits were with Ashford and Drummer and their hunt for Inaros while dealing with UN crap. Ashford was absolutely killer and I love they brought him back, especially in this role. Also also, wow are the space scenes amazing, especially compared to previous seasons. They're right out of Gravity. Just gorgeous shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 19 hours ago, Kalbear said: Yeah, they really did a good job with this season, and 10 eps was just about perfect. Some thoughts on how they diverged (keeping it in spoilers for the first week or so) Reveal hidden contents Thank GOD that they got rid of that stupid "Elvi is horny and wants to fuck Holden" garbage. Expanding horniness with showing more of Wei (and showing Amos more) was entirely the right choice. I'm a bit sad we didn't get Basia or Miller's ex partner, but that's probably hard to do with other acting requirements I'm also a bit sad we don't get Naomi's attempt to sabotage the Israel and then the rescue of Naomi later, but mostly because I wanted more Naomi. As it was, she got a decent amount of action The floating fart bubble scene would have been cool tho The way they did the Miller interludes was absolutely rocking and a great way of using the visual medium Not sure Murtry needed the financial incentive as motivation. It was fine, but not amazing Wish they had kept in the death slug explanation a bit more (the idea of frogs emerging from dry environment to wet ones was a good one) I'm not sure I liked Bobbie going from martian superhero and being very much about the law to 'lets do crimes', but it gave her more action to do and that was cool. Avasarala's turn as ruthless politician was awesome. Arjun is cool and nice, but seriously dude, what did you expect? I'm not surprised she lost, and it went well with the actual events in the book and her forecasting ruin for Mars. Mostly, the best new bits were with Ashford and Drummer and their hunt for Inaros while dealing with UN crap. Ashford was absolutely killer and I love they brought him back, especially in this role. Also also, wow are the space scenes amazing, especially compared to previous seasons. They're right out of Gravity. Just gorgeous shots. Spoiler Bobbie's story is from one of the side-novellas, I believe, Gods of Risk, but that novella was set earlier, between Books 2 and 3 so I think for character development purposes it didn't entirely work being moved later. Basia being changed was because they cast him in Season 3 but couldn't get the actor back, so rather than recast - which they could have gotten away with as it was so minor - they decided to go in a different direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Werthead said: Hide contents Bobbie's story is from one of the side-novellas, I believe, Gods of Risk, but that novella was set earlier, between Books 2 and 3 so I think for character development purposes it didn't entirely work being moved later. Basia being changed was because they cast him in Season 3 but couldn't get the actor back, so rather than recast - which they could have gotten away with as it was so minor - they decided to go in a different direction. They did recast Arjun, so they could have done Basia, too. I thought Lucia Mazur was a fantastic character, though. (Also, I've always imagined Basia as a well-built dude, and the guy they had cast in season 2 was underwhelming in his one scene) Where's @Jace, Basilissa with #malegenocide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I wished they'd mentioned Katoa. Basia / Lucia's grief and guilt about not being there to save him would have reminded viewers of the costs of getting this far in the story / through the rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 On gods of risk: Spoiler I know that that's where david came from, but her going into crime is entirely new, and pretty against Bobbie in the books for the most part. She does free david from his debt, but mostly by being a badass and david cooking a lot more. I dont mind it as much because we get her as a view into Mars failing and part of Nemesis Games too, but it was a bit odd comparing book Bobbie to show bobbie. Then again she didnt get drummed out due to the ring stuff in the book, so that kind of makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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