Marvel Cinematic Universe 9: Returning to the Fold

[The Anti-Targ]

I've said some things in jest that are pretty poor taste when it comes to young people and sex. But it's always been in a way that does not create a permanent searchable record, i.e. verbal and in places where it isn't easy to record and with people who understand the context.

Gunn clearly thought at the time he was being provocative for some worthy reason. Perhaps what he should do personally is own it, and not delete tweets and apologise. The fact Gunn got fired is not really the win that the MAGA crowd wanted. What they want is Gunn to be cowed and disappear as a political critic of the far right. At the moment he seems to be giving them that. If there is anything to learn from Trump it's to always come out swinging. Even when you've been caught with your had in the pu$$y jar, you find a way to turn the blame onto your opponents. He can accept Disney had to make the decision they did, but he can still go on the offensive in respect of every other element of this situation.

I don't like how a lot of people, including progressives, are accepting this situation as equivalent to Roseanne tweets getting her fired. They are equivalent on a superficial simplistic level, but with any deeper consideration it's obvious why they are not the same or equivalent. But people seem to be too lazy, or maybe just haven't go the energy, to think more deeply and forcefully argue why these situations differ in a meaningful way.

[The Anti-Targ]

7 hours ago, Mosi Mynn said:

QfT (except the Guardians bit - I like those films).

I guess it's easier for Disney to let Gunn go than be seen to be "taking sides" and making a "political allegiance".

Is it really possible for anyone in the USA to be Switzerland in this political war once they get dragged into it. And like Switzerland in WWII, neutrality doesn't mean you don't get innocent blood on your hands.

But you also have to assume that some people at the executive level in Disney are in the MAGA camp and are more than happy to have any reason to kick out a left-wing provocateur.

[Darth Richard II]

Interestingly it looks like Disney is getting more shit for actually firing him at this point then they would have for not.

28 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I've said some things in jest that are pretty poor taste when it comes to young people and sex. But it's always been in a way that does not create a permanent searchable record, i.e. verbal and in places where it isn't easy to record and with people who understand the context.

Gunn clearly thought at the time he was being provocative for some worthy reason. Perhaps what he should do personally is own it, and not delete tweets and apologise. The fact Gunn got fired is not really the win that the MAGA crowd wanted. What they want is Gunn to be cowed and disappear as a political critic of the far right. At the moment he seems to be giving them that. If there is anything to learn from Trump it's to always come out swinging. Even when you've been caught with your had in the pu$$y jar, you find a way to turn the blame onto your opponents. He can accept Disney had to make the decision they did, but he can still go on the offensive in respect of every other element of this situation.

I don't like how a lot of people, including progressives, are accepting this situation as equivalent to Roseanne tweets getting her fired. They are equivalent on a superficial simplistic level, but with any deeper consideration it's obvious why they are not the same or equivalent. But people seem to be too lazy, or maybe just haven't go the energy, to think more deeply and forcefully argue why these situations differ in a meaningful way.

Yeah, there's no real similarity here. Shit, Roseanne has pretty much doubleed down on her bullshit.

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6 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I've said some things in jest that are pretty poor taste when it comes to young people and sex. But it's always been in a way that does not create a permanent searchable record, i.e. verbal and in places where it isn't easy to record and with people who understand the context.

Gunn clearly thought at the time he was being provocative for some worthy reason. Perhaps what he should do personally is own it, and not delete tweets and apologise. The fact Gunn got fired is not really the win that the MAGA crowd wanted. What they want is Gunn to be cowed and disappear as a political critic of the far right. At the moment he seems to be giving them that. If there is anything to learn from Trump it's to always come out swinging. Even when you've been caught with your had in the pu$$y jar, you find a way to turn the blame onto your opponents. He can accept Disney had to make the decision they did, but he can still go on the offensive in respect of every other element of this situation.

I don't like how a lot of people, including progressives, are accepting this situation as equivalent to Roseanne tweets getting her fired. They are equivalent on a superficial simplistic level, but with any deeper consideration it's obvious why they are not the same or equivalent. But people seem to be too lazy, or maybe just haven't go the energy, to think more deeply and forcefully argue why these situations differ in a meaningful way.

 

5 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

Interestingly it looks like Disney is getting more shit for actually firing him at this point then they would have for not.

Yeah, there's no real similarity here. Shit, Roseanne has pretty much doubleed down on her bullshit.

Yeah and her story keeps changing.  First it was the ambien, now it's mistaken racial identity.  I have no fucking sympathy for her at all.

Here's some fun: John Kerry was very much the public face of the Iran deal in this country.  He was heavily involved in brokering the deal, he testified about it on the hill, etc. How many times has be been accused of being a closet Muslim or a lesser primate because of it?  I suspect not many.  What about the representatives from any of the other signatory nations?  What are there, six?  Any of them get this treatment? Do the talking heads Roseanne finds credible even mention them?

For eight years, the opinion and "news" mongers she apparently finds credible screeched ceaselessly about how Obama was a socialist, or a muslim fifth columnist, or a closet radical, or not even an american citizen, and that he was going to do all these terrible things (e.g. canceling elections, nuking Charleston, SC).  Now that he's out of office; does it stop?  Nope. And even his subordinates of color are getting the same treatment.  Roseanne looses her job over a stupid tweet?  Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, sweetie.  I'll save my spleen for something that matters a bit more.

Totally not the same as the James Gunn situation.

 

 

[Mosi Mynn]

7 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

... Perhaps what he should do personally is own it, and not delete tweets and apologise. The fact Gunn got fired is not really the win that the MAGA crowd wanted. What they want is Gunn to be cowed and disappear as a political critic of the far right. At the moment he seems to be giving them that. If there is anything to learn from Trump it's to always come out swinging. Even when you've been caught with your had in the pu$$y jar, you find a way to turn the blame onto your opponents. He can accept Disney had to make the decision they did, but he can still go on the offensive in respect of every other element of this situation.

I really hope he does this.  

Sean Gunn defends his brother, really, very well https://www.themarysue.com/sean-gunn-response/

[The BlackBear]

I'm quite firmly on Gunn's side on this. The things he said and posted were stupid and not funny (and I'm someone who does like pretty dark comedy,) but from the accounts we've seen, he realised this some time ago. And unlike a lot of people who do stupid things, didn't seem to 'realise' because of a huge backlash, he simply grew up of his own volition. (I may be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.)

And probably as expected Rooker is on side:

 

[Myrddin]

Very soon, we'll have a generation of politicians running for office who will have had their entire teenage years broadcast on social media.*

At what point do we say, that offensive post reflected a stupid young person figuring out life and not the present individual?

Gunn's "jokes" were raw and in bad taste and years old. And regretted, prior to this instance (I've read). Not sure firing is warranted.

 

(*Paraphrase stolen from Reddit) 

[Corvinus85]

Apparently, a petition to reinstate Gunn has already passed 150,000 signatures.

[TheKitttenGuard]

10 minutes ago, Myrddin said:

Very soon, we'll have a generation of politicians running for office who will have had their entire teenage years broadcast on social media.*

At what point do we say, that offensive post reflected a stupid young person figuring out life and not the present individual?

Gunn's "jokes" were raw and in bad taste and years old. And regretted, prior to this instance (I've read). Not sure firing is warranted.

 

(*Paraphrase stolen from Reddit) 

I do not like what happen to Gunn and find the group behind to be destestable. I think Disney empowered a lot of scum and gave credence to a conspiracy as Ted Cruz's tweet illustrated.

Gun was in his early '40s when he tweeted these. He was not some dumb teenager or in college attempting to being "edgy". Making a equivalence is a mistake as those who point to Roseanne tweet in 2018 to Gunn's 2011.

[SpaceChampion]

Megan Phelps left the Westboro Baptist Church, but when she was in it I'm sure she said some offensive things.  Is she not allowed to leave it?  Is she not allowed to learn better?  Are we going to treat her as pariah even though she knows better now?

There is a guy who was in the White Nationalist movement and KKK, now believes he was an idiot and doesn't believe those things any more.  Is he not allowed to change?  He goes around talking about his transformation and why he was wrong.  Is he not allowed to do that?  Should we still treat him as a pariah and not listen to anything he has to say even though it can help others leave those odious organizations?

 

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1 hour ago, Myrddin said:

Very soon, we'll have a generation of politicians running for office who will have had their entire teenage years broadcast on social media.*

The POTUS is a septuagenarian who is on camera bragging about being able to sexually assault women with impunity because of his immense wealth.  Fox "News" literally paid out millions worth of hush money on account of serial sexual harasser Bill O'Really.  They supported him right up to the moment his sponsors abandoned him.  There are no rules to this thing.  It's all about what you think you can get away with.

We live in an era where sex tapes aren't even a big deal anymore.

42 minutes ago, TheKitttenGuard said:

I do not like what happen to Gunn and find the group behind to be destestable. I think Disney empowered a lot of scum and gave credence to a conspiracy as Ted Cruz's tweet illustrated.

Gun was in his early '40s when he tweeted these. He was not some dumb teenager or in college attempting to being "edgy". Making a equivalence is a mistake as those who point to Roseanne tweet in 2018 to Gunn's 2011.

Groan... Ted fucking Cruz.  Didn't he get caught watching porn once on twitter?  Oh, that's right, it was "a staffer".  Because he's the kind of asshole who hires people dumb enough to watch porn at work... and upvote it... on the bosses account...

https://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com/

 

[DraculaAD1972]

I have mixed feelings on the James Gunn takedown. On the one hand his Guardians of the Galaxy movies are great. On the other it's sweet to see Mike Cernovich's takedown of Gunn and hilarious to see others like Rian Johnson deleting tens of thousands of tweets in panic.

[Darth Richard II]

...are you fucking kidding?

[The Anti-Targ]

2 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

...are you fucking kidding?

You must not be aware. Some people around here are as right wing as they come.

[DMC]

Exhibit 465527:  Why Twitter is Toxic like High School

[Jace, Extat]

1 minute ago, The Anti-Targ said:

You must not be aware. Some people around here are as right wing as they come.

Well there's right wing and then there's Rightarded.

[Relic]

3 hours ago, DraculaAD1972 said:

I have mixed feelings on the James Gunn takedown. On the one hand his Guardians of the Galaxy movies are great. On the other it's sweet to see Mike Cernovich's takedown of Gunn and hilarious to see others like Rian Johnson deleting tens of thousands of tweets in panic.

Yeah? You think a douche bag like Cernovich calling people pedophiles on Twitter is funny? How else do you amuse yourself? Sniffing glue and hurling your feces at people? 

[Jace, Extat]

5 minutes ago, Relic said:

Yeah? You think a douche bag like Cernovich calling people pedophiles on Twitter is funny? How else do you amuse yourself? Sniffing glue and hurling your feces at people? 

Bugging libtards like you.

Eh OOOOOHHHHH!!!!!!

Seriously, don't feed it.

If you want a bad guy, I'll be your villain. Just say the word and we can start a Bad Jace thread that will be FAAAAR more compelling.

[Darth Richard II]

34 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

Well there's right wing and then there's Rightarded.

I just laughed so hard I scared the cats. I needed that. 

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Ugh. This thread just got stupid and is picking up speed.

If I were a bonafide Cernovich fanboy, I'd hold off on the self congratulatory circle jerk. On top of his usual hijinks, that clown has just enraged a few hundred thousand CBM devotees.  These people tend to be, ah, "passionate".