Marvel Cinematic Universe 9: Returning to the Fold

[The BlackBear]

1 hour ago, Myrddin said:

 Sad to say, it won't be hard for Marvel to write out any character right now. They can either not be recovered from the snap (honestly I can't remember if Drax faded or not) or just knocked off in a CGI explosion in A4.

All the Guardians faded except Rocket (and Nebula who is kind of a guardian.)

1 hour ago, Myrddin said:

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out and whether Pratt and the others will join Bautista.

Honest question: Would you jeopardize your career to defend a co-worker like this?*

It seems clear Gunn was more than just a co-worker to Bautista, according to him Gunn fought for him to be cast as Drax, it was his break as an actor. I listened to his Edge and Christian podcast episode, and it's clear loyalty is a big thing for him, if he's also a close friend... I think it's totally understandable him doing this.

I guess I can see Disney using the script, he'd already handed it in (I think,) but he's not coming back as director, it's far too late for that.

[DaveSumm]

If Disney haven’t said they aren’t using the script, seems like a no-brainer ... use the thing. He’s still not directing so you don’t lose face, Bautista’s happy, fans are happier. 

[Myrddin]

So, apparently Cull Obsidian has a connection to Captain Marvel?

[The Anti-Targ]

8 hours ago, Myrddin said:

I admire Bautista's stance. It's not an easy gig to walk away from. And given that Disney now owns a majority or the major studios, it'll limit his future work considerably.

Sad to say, it won't be hard for Marvel to write out any character right now. They can either not be recovered from the snap (honestly I can't remember if Drax faded or not) or just knocked off in a CGI explosion in A4.

I do wonder how/if Disney could keep Gunn's script without him directing.

I took a look at Gunn's IMDB page. I forgot he did the PG Porn series. About all of his work (except for Scooby Do) is not even close to Disney's brand. The tweet firing is feeling more and more wrong the more I think about it. NOT the tweets. Yeah, those are beyond poor taste. 

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out and whether Pratt and the others will join Bautista.

Honest question: Would you jeopardize your career to defend a co-worker like this?*

 

*Granted, these people can stop working today and retire without a care.

As a person who is not wealthy enough to walk away from employment and continue to live a reasonably comfortable material life, I would not jeopardise my career, as in never being able to work in my chosen profession again. However I would be quietly heading towards the exit door, but ensure I had employment before actually leaving. 

[RumHam]

Nick Fury and Maria Hill confirmed to appear in Spider Man: Far From Home

[red snow]

8 hours ago, DaveSumm said:

If Disney haven’t said they aren’t using the script, seems like a no-brainer ... use the thing. He’s still not directing so you don’t lose face, Bautista’s happy, fans are happier. 

As long as they say the script was finished and paid for before the firing, they have wiggle room. If not you can't really claim to have levels of unacceptable depending on your rank within a movie's production.

I can understand Bautista's loyalty and hesitanse. Drax could be awful written by someone who doesn't know what they are doing.

Still, he's angling for a firing himself with some of the things he's saying about Disney at the moment. I guess if all else fails he can make some bad jokes that should get him out of the film pretty quickly

[The Anti-Targ]

That's like saying there's no such thing as degrees of murder. Clearly, there are different degrees of misbehaviour and the punishment should fit the crime. Disney can readily say that Gunn's past made it impossible for him to continue to be actively involved in the MCU, they were not so unforgivable as to require him to be completely erased from ongoing projects. Therefore he gets to keep a writing credit because of what he contributed to the project before his firing.

But I think Bautista is done with Disney whether or not he appears in Avengers 4 and GoTG 3. He will be killed off in one of those movies. He's isolated himself from the main herd (the rest of the cast) and therefore he can be picked off. Drax the character is not important enough for Disney to bow and scrape to keep him. Bautista is probably adequately set up in life that he doesn't need to grovel to Disney to let him keep his job with them.

[lessthanluke]

5 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

That's like saying there's no such thing as degrees of murder. Clearly, there are different degrees of misbehaviour and the punishment should fit the crime. Disney can readily say that Gunn's past made it impossible for him to continue to be actively involved in the MCU, they were not so unforgivable as to require him to be completely erased from ongoing projects. Therefore he gets to keep a writing credit because of what he contributed to the project before his firing.

But I think Bautista is done with Disney whether or not he appears in Avengers 4 and GoTG 3. He will be killed off in one of those movies. He's isolated himself from the main herd (the rest of the cast) and therefore he can be picked off. Drax the character is not important enough for Disney to bow and scrape to keep him. Bautista is probably adequately set up in life that he doesn't need to grovel to Disney to let him keep his job with them.

He was set up for life before he even started acting so yeah it seems like he doesn't give a shit about getting fired. 

[Relic]

Another reason to stop watching Marvel movies - 

 

 More to the point, he is one-third of an informal council that is exerting sweeping influence on the VA from Mar-a-Lago, President Donald Trump’s private club in Palm Beach, Florida. The troika is led by Ike Perlmutter, the reclusive chairman of Marvel Entertainment, who is a longtime acquaintance of President Trump’s. The third member is a lawyer named Marc Sherman. None of them has ever served in the U.S. military or government.

https://www.propublica.org/article/ike-perlmutter-bruce-moskowitz-marc-sherman-shadow-rulers-of-the-va

[Darth Richard II]

He was outed from control of the MCU quite a while ago.

[Relic]

1 minute ago, Darth Richard II said:

He was outed from control of the MCU quite a while ago.

Still making bank. Coupled with the Disney acquisition of Fox that's in the works I'm afraid I won't be going to any summer/christmas blockbusters anytime soon. Bye SW, bye spandex clad distractions. 

[Darth Richard II]

Yeah well if I boycotted everything that made some rich GOP fuck money I would have to go live in a cave in a mountain somewhere 

[Rhom]

Not relevant to this discussion... but it’s where most of the Disney-Fox talk is going on.

I just thought of this, with Disney acquiring Fox’s film properties, does that mean Star Wars can include the Fox Fanfare before the movie???

[Bastard of Boston]

So, the Oscars created a new category called "Best Popular Film" because they REALLY don't want to give any of these comic book movies recognition, so they'll make up a "separate, but equal" category. How ridiculously tone deaf, when you consider this was done likely because of Black Panther's undeniable impact.

[Corvinus85]

So, wouldn't the box office, or at least number of tickets sold + DVD/digital sales already tell you which one was the most popular movie in a given year. Or is it a category for popular movies, where the Academy picks the best quality-wise?

Edit: This is likely because of Black Panther, much like the expansion of the "Pest Picture" category to 9-10 movies was because of the uproar over The Dark Knight not being nominated.

[Bastard of Boston]

7 minutes ago, Corvinus said:

So, wouldn't the box office, or at least number of tickets sold + DVD/digital sales already tell you which one was the most popular movie in a given year. Or is it a category for popular movies, where the Academy picks the best quality-wise?

Edit: This is likely because of Black Panther, much like the expansion of the "Pest Picture" category to 9-10 movies was because of the uproar over The Dark Knight not being nominated.

Yeah, they'll likely say it's not the most successful film that wins, but the "best" most successful film. If Black Panther wins, I hope the cast goes on stage and barks at the academy, M'Baku style.

[dbunting]

3 minutes ago, Bastard of Boston said:

Yeah, they'll likely say it's not the most successful film that wins, but the "best" most successful film. If Black Panther wins, I hope the cast goes on stage and barks at the academy, M'Baku style.

Yep, I think the name was like best achievement in popular movie making?

To me if they really wanted to get their shit right, this should be best picture and what currently gets called that should change to most artistic. How many crappy movies have won best picture that NOBODY went to see? I know $$ sales shouldn't mean everything but it should count for something if you are calling it best movie.

[Winterfell is Burning]

24 minutes ago, dbunting said:

Yep, I think the name was like best achievement in popular movie making?

To me if they really wanted to get their shit right, this should be best picture and what currently gets called that should change to most artistic..

Actually, this happened in the very first Oscars, when Sunrise, which was far from a big hit (it was released shortly after the first talking movie, and nobody wanted silent films anymore), but was acclaimed by some as the greatest film of all time at that point, could win the award while they gave Best Picture to a more populist choice.

More ridiculous than that will be that some categories will be out of the main broadcast- the one consistently good thing about the Oscars was the chance to give technicians and people that wouldn't get the spotlight normally a chance to be publicly rewarded and shine, and now that's out for more stars making political speeches and movie montages.

[The Anti-Targ]

1 hour ago, Bastard of Boston said:

So, the Oscars created a new category called "Best Popular Film" because they REALLY don't want to give any of these comic book movies recognition, so they'll make up a "separate, but equal" category. How ridiculously tone deaf, when you consider this was done likely because of Black Panther's undeniable impact.

 

1 hour ago, Corvinus said:

So, wouldn't the box office, or at least number of tickets sold + DVD/digital sales already tell you which one was the most popular movie in a given year. Or is it a category for popular movies, where the Academy picks the best quality-wise?

Edit: This is likely because of Black Panther, much like the expansion of the "Pest Picture" category to 9-10 movies was because of the uproar over The Dark Knight not being nominated.

They already have sub-categories of best film: best foreign language, best animated, best doco etc. The difference being that it's really easy to define these categories (mostly, though is Who Framed Roger Rabbit animated or live action?). What's the definition for "popular film" and what are the voting criteria? The Academy caved on animated feature for similar reasons they're introducing this popular film category, because there was too much snobbery around animated movies for any animated film to get nominated for the big prize, no matter how good. With this new category the Academy members get to be even more snobby. Any popular movie that does really well at the box office will immediately be dismissed as a best picture contender, because it now has it;s own special award category. So best picture will become almost the exclusive preserve of movies that were not hugely commercially successful.

In the year that LOTR Return of the King won best picture, would it also have been nominated for (and won) best popular film if the category had existed?  

Personally I think the Oscars are losing its way because it is trying to maintain a TV audience. These awards should be by the industry, for the industry, and if people want to tune in to watch they are welcome. But what they are trying to do is get a big TV audience so they can make money from broadcast rights for the event. The popularity contests can be left to other award shows: People's Choice etc.

 

[Fez]

Also, what the hell is the criteria for "best most popular?" Is it only blockbusters or what if a critical, indie darling hits it really big again, like Slumdog Millionaire? 

And is the category meant to be mutually exclusive from best picture or could a movie be up for both? (The way some animated movies sometimes get nominated for best animated and best picture) This seems like a really dumb idea and is going to result in either it or best picture (I'm not sure which yet) becoming a total joke category.

They really should've just implemented some requirements for best picture, like some minimum box office take. Money made is not a good metric for quality of course, but I think for a movie to legitimately be considered "best" in the year it has to have had some tangible impact on culture and society. However its been many years since the best picture winner was regularly anything other than some tiny critical darling that almost no one saw and affected nothing. Movies like that may be extremely good and well made, but I don't think they can be called "best"