Danys the good guy?

[Unacosamedarisa]

17 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

dany is a sociopath from almaot  our first meeting she wants the throne thats 'rightfully hers' despite the obvious fact that her side  lost  the civil war and arent entitled to jack!

Clearly, you have no idea what a Sociopath is. You seem to be throwing the term at Dany because "sociopaths are bad people, and Dany is bad people". 

Also, Dany has little desire for the Iron Throne for the first half of AGoT. At first, she just wants to "go home", as in, back to her imagined peaceful, safe childhood, in the house with the red door. It isn't until Viserys dies and Robert sends out the assassins that Dany realises she'll never be safe until she has secured herself power, to protect herself and her family. 

Also, every character pushes claims for things which are "rightfully theirs"... it's a feudal world, it revolves around claims, and rights, and inheritances. Do you criticise Robb for pushing a claim as "King in the North", despite that title being dead for 300 years, and the North being subservient to the Iron Throne? Do you criticise Robert and all the Rebels for pushing Robert's claim, based on his grandmother? Or for thinking "Might is Right" in seizing the Throne? Robert's Targaryen claim is worthless, because it comes from a woman, and the "Might is Right" reasoning means that if Dany comes and conquers, that shit is hers now. 

 

17 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

she tries to persuade gengis lite (drogo) to rampage across essos then westeros for her throne even condones the sacking of villages

At the time, she's a child, with little knowledge of warfare. As she's grown up, and gained experience, she's learned (better than almost all other leaders, it seems), that war is terrible, and terrible things are necessary in war, but she can do her best to mitigate the terrible things done in her name. Hence the Unsullied, who do not rape or pillage, or her trying to save Eroeh and the Lhazareen women, or her not setting her Dragons on everybody (yet) despite many of her advisers suggesting she do just that, or her taking the Freedmen under her wing, or her negotiating with the Masters of Yunkai rather than sacking and killing them all, or her locking her Dragons up when she realises what a terrible threat they can be. 

But war is going to produce casualties, and atrocities... it's a fact that any leader must accept. Robb took his army into the war-torn Riverlands, no doubt adding to the suffering and misery of the people there, so by your reasoning Robb, therefore, condones the sacking of villages. He then took them to the West, his plan being to raid, burn and pillage those lands, in order to lead Tywin on a chase... so Robb condones the murder of complete innocents as well. And all of this for some long forgotten crown and title he had no right to.

Jon defies all traditions of his country, betrays the vows he swore to his Gods, betrays the oaths he and his family swore, nearly betrays everything decent and honourable in his life to bring the raping hordes of Wildlings through the Wall, and then decides to abandon his position as Lord Commander (at an absolutely crucial moment in the war with the Others) to march those raping hordes of Wildlings south, to kill more living people (and thus give the army of the dead more recruits, and the living side fewer), to try and take back Winterfell... despite the obvious fact that his side lost the civil war and aren't entitled to jack! 

Also, many of the young characters discuss or promote war and violence without truly knowing what it means early in the story, without knowing the brutal truth of violence... Robb declares war in the Godswood on the basis of his mother's hunches, Arya wants to become a faceless killer in the name of vengeance, Jon thinks a lifetime dedicated to hunting Wildlings is a decent thing. It's almost as if it's perhaps a theme the author is trying to get across, that our young characters start off naive and innocent about war, but through experience come to learn the truth of it.  

17 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

unleashed dragons back into the world with no means of control or how to  stem them from breeding!

Who wouldn't? Especially when it seems something... fate, destiny, whatever... ordained that Dany would bring them back (hence all the dreams, prophecies, visions etc), and that, what with the army of the dead controlled by Ice Demons marching on humanity, they might just be the necessary evil that can save mankind, with the benefit of hindsight it was probably a good call. 

Also, I'm going to go ahead and guess that humans have caused more suffering, pain, death and anguish in the world than Dragons have. So, should "responsible" characters refuse to bring children into the world and push to have everyone castrated? 

And then there's, you know, the whole ending slavery thing. You might disagree, but that gives her quite a few gold stars in my book. 

Dany is not a bad person. She's a good person, who has to do bad things for what she sees as a greater good, like ALL of the protagonists in positions of power. 

[SeanF]

1 hour ago, Giant Ice Spider said:

Let's be clear on what a sociopath actually is. There are two main aspects to a sociopath, as I see it:

1. Their inability to empathise others. This means that they don't really care when they hurt people, and can also lead to selfishness.
2. Their reduced ability to experience positive emotions like happiness or joy. This leads to manipulate, torment and abuse people in order to eke out any joy.

We don't see Dany failing to empathise with people. On the contrary, she empathises with the Lhazareen rape victims and the Ghiscari slaves. We also don't see her manipulate, torment, or abuse anyone, unlike Joffrey or Ramsay.

Dany may not be a good person, but she is an empath.

Entirely correct.

Daenerys as she is portrayed in the Show is much closer to being a sociopath, but I'd say that reflects poor writing on the part of the producers.

[Damon_Tor]

8 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

The main issue for westeros and essos is what happens after she dies

The dragons will continue to breed and noone has the knowledge to control them anymore !! 

Which fits perfectly with the idea that the dragons are nukes. Even if they're in the "right hands" right now, they wont stay that way. The world ending in fire is no better than the world ending in ice.

[hodorisfaclessman]

5 hours ago, Unacosamedarisa said:

Clearly, you have no idea what a Sociopath is. You seem to be throwing the term at Dany because "sociopaths are bad people, and Dany is bad people". 

Also, Dany has little desire for the Iron Throne for the first half of AGoT. At first, she just wants to "go home", as in, back to her imagined peaceful, safe childhood, in the house with the red door. It isn't until Viserys dies and Robert sends out the assassins that Dany realises she'll never be safe until she has secured herself power, to protect herself and her family. 

Also, every character pushes claims for things which are "rightfully theirs"... it's a feudal world, it revolves around claims, and rights, and inheritances. Do you criticise Robb for pushing a claim as "King in the North", despite that title being dead for 300 years, and the North being subservient to the Iron Throne? Do you criticise Robert and all the Rebels for pushing Robert's claim, based on his grandmother? Or for thinking "Might is Right" in seizing the Throne? Robert's Targaryen claim is worthless, because it comes from a woman, and the "Might is Right" reasoning means that if Dany comes and conquers, that shit is hers now. 

 

At the time, she's a child, with little knowledge of warfare. As she's grown up, and gained experience, she's learned (better than almost all other leaders, it seems), that war is terrible, and terrible things are necessary in war, but she can do her best to mitigate the terrible things done in her name. Hence the Unsullied, who do not rape or pillage, or her trying to save Eroeh and the Lhazareen women, or her not setting her Dragons on everybody (yet) despite many of her advisers suggesting she do just that, or her taking the Freedmen under her wing, or her negotiating with the Masters of Yunkai rather than sacking and killing them all, or her locking her Dragons up when she realises what a terrible threat they can be. 

But war is going to produce casualties, and atrocities... it's a fact that any leader must accept. Robb took his army into the war-torn Riverlands, no doubt adding to the suffering and misery of the people there, so by your reasoning Robb, therefore, condones the sacking of villages. He then took them to the West, his plan being to raid, burn and pillage those lands, in order to lead Tywin on a chase... so Robb condones the murder of complete innocents as well. And all of this for some long forgotten crown and title he had no right to.

Jon defies all traditions of his country, betrays the vows he swore to his Gods, betrays the oaths he and his family swore, nearly betrays everything decent and honourable in his life to bring the raping hordes of Wildlings through the Wall, and then decides to abandon his position as Lord Commander (at an absolutely crucial moment in the war with the Others) to march those raping hordes of Wildlings south, to kill more living people (and thus give the army of the dead more recruits, and the living side fewer), to try and take back Winterfell... despite the obvious fact that his side lost the civil war and aren't entitled to jack! 

Also, many of the young characters discuss or promote war and violence without truly knowing what it means early in the story, without knowing the brutal truth of violence... Robb declares war in the Godswood on the basis of his mother's hunches, Arya wants to become a faceless killer in the name of vengeance, Jon thinks a lifetime dedicated to hunting Wildlings is a decent thing. It's almost as if it's perhaps a theme the author is trying to get across, that our young characters start off naive and innocent about war, but through experience come to learn the truth of it.  

Who wouldn't? Especially when it seems something... fate, destiny, whatever... ordained that Dany would bring them back (hence all the dreams, prophecies, visions etc), and that, what with the army of the dead controlled by Ice Demons marching on humanity, they might just be the necessary evil that can save mankind, with the benefit of hindsight it was probably a good call. 

Also, I'm going to go ahead and guess that humans have caused more suffering, pain, death and anguish in the world than Dragons have. So, should "responsible" characters refuse to bring children into the world and push to have everyone castrated? 

And then there's, you know, the whole ending slavery thing. You might disagree, but that gives her quite a few gold stars in my book. 

Dany is not a bad person. She's a good person, who has to do bad things for what she sees as a greater good, like ALL of the protagonists in positions of power. 

Shes wants to go home and all who oppose that are now forfeit...thats a sociopath

Robb didnt go looking to fight the lannisters or the title he had that forced on him when his dad was murdered unjustly ...dany by contrast never knew her parents 

roberts rebellion was kicked off as a response to a 'rape and 'kidnap'

 

 

She  is introduced to how horrible war is and how horrible a leader she is in mereen...yet still wants to wage war to rule westeros ! Robb jon and aryas paths are all different and some of them arent making pleasant choices either (esp arya) but that doesnt make danys desire to wage war on a whole kingdom she feels entitled to any less shitty!

 

They are an uncontrolled threat to all mankind in the setting ....once they breed theres no one with the knowledge lef to control em and killing them is a huge task

 

Yes she gets props for ending slavery ...none for not handling the aftermath

Also bear in mind for years she was happy to be served by free city slaves and slavery  ,he switcg in her own words came from when she virtualy was one herself sold to drogo!

[Unacosamedarisa]

21 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

Shes wants to go home and all who oppose that are now forfeit...thats a sociopath

Just because you keep saying that, it doesn't make it true. This is not the defining trait of Sociopathy... it's not even an actual trait of Sociopathy. 

It's also not true for Dany. Drogo was opposed to going to Westeros, at first... Dany didn't kill him and try to usurp him, she tried to convince him, with words. After Drogo's death, her Bloodriders told her they were going to take her to the Dosh Kaleen at Vaes Dothrak after Drogo's pyre... she didn't kill them, or have them tied to the pyre, instead she gave them gifts and believed her upcoming magical extravaganza would convince them to follow her. Jorah implored her to head East, not West, she didn't kill him, she took him into her service and asked him to follow her. She sought help in Quarth, asking for assistance, rather than trying to take the city. The Masters of Yunkai she allowed to surrender. Barristan she took into her service, despite him having served Robert Baratheon. Jorah she sent into exile, despite him having betrayed her. The young Meerenese man who tried to assassinate her in her own throne room, she allowed to go free. Despite Daario whispering in her ear, post coitus, that she should massacre all of the slaver and Masters, she didn't do that. She sought compromise and peace between the freed-men and the slavers, so as to not allow her city to fall into open war. She locked up her dragons when she realised they were eating children in the countryside. 

And, perhaps most importantly in the argument against Dany being a Sociopath, are the multiple, repeated, prominent occasions in which we get, from Dany's own POV, her empathy for others, either those who have been affected by her actions, or she is considering affecting with her actions. Also, repeated instances of Dany showing remorse for her actions. All in all, not something a Sociopath does.

Also bear in mind for years she was happy to be served by free city slaves and slavery  ,he switcg in her own words came from when she virtualy was one herself sold to drogo!

So... she realised the plight of slaves, through her own lived experience, and decided to do something to help them? And you think this makes her a bad person? 

[hodorisfaclessman]

7 hours ago, Unacosamedarisa said:

Just because you keep saying that, it doesn't make it true. This is not the defining trait of Sociopathy... it's not even an actual trait of Sociopathy. 

It's also not true for Dany. Drogo was opposed to going to Westeros, at first... Dany didn't kill him and try to usurp him, she tried to convince him, with words. After Drogo's death, her Bloodriders told her they were going to take her to the Dosh Kaleen at Vaes Dothrak after Drogo's pyre... she didn't kill them, or have them tied to the pyre, instead she gave them gifts and believed her upcoming magical extravaganza would convince them to follow her. Jorah implored her to head East, not West, she didn't kill him, she took him into her service and asked him to follow her. She sought help in Quarth, asking for assistance, rather than trying to take the city. The Masters of Yunkai she allowed to surrender. Barristan she took into her service, despite him having served Robert Baratheon. Jorah she sent into exile, despite him having betrayed her. The young Meerenese man who tried to assassinate her in her own throne room, she allowed to go free. Despite Daario whispering in her ear, post coitus, that she should massacre all of the slaver and Masters, she didn't do that. She sought compromise and peace between the freed-men and the slavers, so as to not allow her city to fall into open war. She locked up her dragons when she realised they were eating children in the countryside. 

And, perhaps most importantly in the argument against Dany being a Sociopath, are the multiple, repeated, prominent occasions in which we get, from Dany's own POV, her empathy for others, either those who have been affected by her actions, or she is considering affecting with her actions. Also, repeated instances of Dany showing remorse for her actions. All in all, not something a Sociopath does.

So... she realised the plight of slaves, through her own lived experience, and decided to do something to help them? And you think this makes her a bad person? 

 She can show some.empathy for some and be sociopathic with others...think tony soprano crying over a dead horse one sec then stangling a human the next

Kill him and try and usurp him? Lol ,kill her bloodriders ?...a non martial  foriegn woman in a dothraki khal?

A lot of the things u suggest shed try arent possible for her to try even if she wanted to nor are they smart actions (allowing cities to surrender for exp is easier then taking them by force )

 

My point wasnt that ending slavery was bad just poninging out she had no issies with slaves serving her before her marriage and that her awful hanfling of mereen shows shes a bad ruler and too self absorbed to see of she screwd up q crap hold like slavers bay to be somehow  even worse then shed be a disaster for westeros but is too wrapped up in her goal to see it

[Hugorfonics]

On 7/13/2018 at 2:54 AM, Leonardo said:

How do I like Hugorfonics posts

 

TELL MEH BY GAWD

Lol does that mean you dont like em?

[Unacosamedarisa]

11 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

She can show some.empathy for some and be sociopathic with others...think tony soprano crying over a dead horse one sec then stangling a human the next

Tony Soprano wasn't a Sociopath. Dany isn't a Sociopath... showing empathy is not something Sociopaths do. And, it's not an act or illusion with Dany, we literally have her POV and see her empathy and remorse. 

11 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

Kill him and try and usurp him? Lol ,kill her bloodriders ?...a non martial  foriegn woman in a dothraki khal?

You said she's a Sociopath, and all who stand in her way are forfeit... but she didn't forfeit Drogo, her bloodriders, Jorah, etc., etc. So, clearly, not everyone in her way is forfeit, correct?

11 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

My point wasnt that ending slavery was bad just poninging out she had no issies with slaves serving her before her marriage

When she was a 12 year old child, and younger, you mean? And she had no issues with slavery, like the entire non-slave population of Essos? And now she's seen how wrong and terrible slavery is, and wants to end it... making her better than everyone in Essos by your reasoning. 

[hodorisfaclessman]

3 hours ago, Unacosamedarisa said:

-Tony Soprano wasn't a Sociopath. Dany isn't a Sociopath... showing empathy is not something Sociopaths do. And, it's not an act or illusion with Dany, we literally have her POV and see her empathy and remorse. 

You said she's a Sociopath, and all who stand in her way are forfeit... but she didn't forfeit Drogo, her bloodriders, Jorah, etc., etc. So, clearly, not everyone in her way is forfeit, correct?

When she was a 12 year old child, and younger, you mean? And she had no issues with slavery, like the entire non-slave population of Essos? And now she's seen how wrong and terrible slavery is, and wants to end it... making her better than everyone in Essos by your reasoning. 

-thats long been debated since the show ended ..at a bare minimum both are on the asd spectrum  between phycopath and sociopath ....she is prepared to start an actual war to secure absolute power of a country thats shes never visted thats on sadam,assad,ghadaffi,stalin mentality

 

-im confused..what book are you reading where dany  killing drogo and taking over the khal was ever an option? 

 

-fantastic shes against slavery ....(now that is) which of course makes her desire to rule all of wersteros (slave free) totaly ok

[Unacosamedarisa]

59 minutes ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

im confused..what book are you reading where dany  killing drogo and taking over the khal was ever an option? 

I'm confused, what books are you reading where Dany, who shows more remorse and empathy than any other POV character, is a Sociopath to you? You claimed she saw anyone who opposed her securing the Iron Throne as forfeit. I showed that many, many people tried to dissuade her from seeking the throne, yet she did not forfeit their lives. If, like you say, she really was a Sociopath, when Drogo refused to go West, she would have started planning and plotting to kill him, to seize his power to use as her own, through their son, or something similar. Instead, she asks Jorah for advice on how she can convince Drogo to go West... not exactly Sociopathic, is it?

None of Dany's actions have been Sociopathic. 

59 minutes ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

she is prepared to start an actual war to secure absolute power of a country thats shes never visted thats on sadam,assad,ghadaffi,stalin mentality

Because, she knows she and any children she may have, will never be safe as long as the Usurper and his line sits on the Iron Throne, because Dany's very existence is a threat to their rule. Also, she thinks she can make a good ruler and a fairer society. Also, this is a medieval feudal world, not the modern world. Comparisons to modern dictators are nonsense. Instead, we should compare her to medieval Kings and similar... Was Henry V a Sociopath to you, because he pushed his claim to the French throne? Or compare her to her contemporaries in the books... Are any of the other claimants to any of the other thrones Sociopaths or villains because they try to push their claims, despite the death toll that will bring? 

[Son of Man]

On 7/12/2018 at 2:24 PM, hodorisfaclessman said:

Thinking about varys comment about power and trolling dany fans on a dofferent forum came up with some interesting points  

-dany is a sociopath from almaot  our first meeting she wants the throne thats 'rightfully hers' despite the obvious fact that her side  lost  the civil war and arent entitled to jack! She and her bro want this no matter how many have to die to make it happen

- she tries to persuade gengis lite (drogo) to rampage across essos then westeros for her throne even condones the sacking of villages

-unleashed dragons back into the world with no means of control or how to  stem them from breeding! 

-kills magys whos pretty much an avenging hero...saving essos from a new attila the hun

 

At least you admit you're trolling.

Dany is not a sociopath.  This young hero wants to free millions of slaves from their cruel masters.  That is not the work of a sociopath.  That is the work of a hero. 

It's normal to want back what your family built.  Would you criticize the Starks if they later want to take back Winterfell?  Robert and his incompetent supporters have brought nothing but disaster to the seven kingdoms.  Taking back Westeros would be an act of mercy and a mission of rescue.

 

[Sigella]

4 hours ago, Unacosamedarisa said:

And, it's not an act or illusion with Dany, we literally have her POV and see her empathy and remorse. 

I wonder how the trolls is gonna sound after everything has been revealed. Imagine Dany give her and her dragons lives in fighting the others and saving Westeros and they be like: "socio" 

 

 

 

[teej6]

On 7/13/2018 at 8:30 AM, Unacosamedarisa said:

Clearly, you have no idea what a Sociopath is. You seem to be throwing the term at Dany because "sociopaths are bad people, and Dany is bad people". 

Also, Dany has little desire for the Iron Throne for the first half of AGoT. At first, she just wants to "go home", as in, back to her imagined peaceful, safe childhood, in the house with the red door. It isn't until Viserys dies and Robert sends out the assassins that Dany realises she'll never be safe until she has secured herself power, to protect herself and her family. 

While I agree Dany is not a sociopath, the bolded part is wrong based on the text. Dany clearly starts planning/thinking about conquering Westeros before Viserys death and definitely before the assassination attempt. In her conversation with Jorah (which happens before Viserys is killed) she clearly states that she thinks Viserys cannot take the seven kingdoms even with Drogo's army. And then in a later conversation with Jorah (again before Viserys is killed) she asks Jorah if an alternate person -- implying herself or her unborn child (she knows she's pregnant) -- can conquer Westeros. 

And while I don't think Dany is a sociopath, she's definitely hungry for power just like many other characters in the series. 

[chrisdaw]

She's good but too much heart, not enough brain. Those looking at the series through a feminist lense are going to crack the shits when the primary female character is struck out for being too emotional.

[Annalee]

On 7/13/2018 at 8:30 AM, Unacosamedarisa said:

Clearly, you have no idea what a Sociopath is. You seem to be throwing the term at Dany because "sociopaths are bad people, and Dany is bad people". 

Also, Dany has little desire for the Iron Throne for the first half of AGoT. At first, she just wants to "go home", as in, back to her imagined peaceful, safe childhood, in the house with the red door. It isn't until Viserys dies and Robert sends out the assassins that Dany realises she'll never be safe until she has secured herself power, to protect herself and her family. 

Also, every character pushes claims for things which are "rightfully theirs"... it's a feudal world, it revolves around claims, and rights, and inheritances. Do you criticise Robb for pushing a claim as "King in the North", despite that title being dead for 300 years, and the North being subservient to the Iron Throne? Do you criticise Robert and all the Rebels for pushing Robert's claim, based on his grandmother? Or for thinking "Might is Right" in seizing the Throne? Robert's Targaryen claim is worthless, because it comes from a woman, and the "Might is Right" reasoning means that if Dany comes and conquers, that shit is hers now. 

 

At the time, she's a child, with little knowledge of warfare. As she's grown up, and gained experience, she's learned (better than almost all other leaders, it seems), that war is terrible, and terrible things are necessary in war, but she can do her best to mitigate the terrible things done in her name. Hence the Unsullied, who do not rape or pillage, or her trying to save Eroeh and the Lhazareen women, or her not setting her Dragons on everybody (yet) despite many of her advisers suggesting she do just that, or her taking the Freedmen under her wing, or her negotiating with the Masters of Yunkai rather than sacking and killing them all, or her locking her Dragons up when she realises what a terrible threat they can be. 

But war is going to produce casualties, and atrocities... it's a fact that any leader must accept. Robb took his army into the war-torn Riverlands, no doubt adding to the suffering and misery of the people there, so by your reasoning Robb, therefore, condones the sacking of villages. He then took them to the West, his plan being to raid, burn and pillage those lands, in order to lead Tywin on a chase... so Robb condones the murder of complete innocents as well. And all of this for some long forgotten crown and title he had no right to.

Jon defies all traditions of his country, betrays the vows he swore to his Gods, betrays the oaths he and his family swore, nearly betrays everything decent and honourable in his life to bring the raping hordes of Wildlings through the Wall, and then decides to abandon his position as Lord Commander (at an absolutely crucial moment in the war with the Others) to march those raping hordes of Wildlings south, to kill more living people (and thus give the army of the dead more recruits, and the living side fewer), to try and take back Winterfell... despite the obvious fact that his side lost the civil war and aren't entitled to jack! 

Also, many of the young characters discuss or promote war and violence without truly knowing what it means early in the story, without knowing the brutal truth of violence... Robb declares war in the Godswood on the basis of his mother's hunches, Arya wants to become a faceless killer in the name of vengeance, Jon thinks a lifetime dedicated to hunting Wildlings is a decent thing. It's almost as if it's perhaps a theme the author is trying to get across, that our young characters start off naive and innocent about war, but through experience come to learn the truth of it.  

Who wouldn't? Especially when it seems something... fate, destiny, whatever... ordained that Dany would bring them back (hence all the dreams, prophecies, visions etc), and that, what with the army of the dead controlled by Ice Demons marching on humanity, they might just be the necessary evil that can save mankind, with the benefit of hindsight it was probably a good call. 

Also, I'm going to go ahead and guess that humans have caused more suffering, pain, death and anguish in the world than Dragons have. So, should "responsible" characters refuse to bring children into the world and push to have everyone castrated? 

And then there's, you know, the whole ending slavery thing. You might disagree, but that gives her quite a few gold stars in my book. 

Dany is not a bad person. She's a good person, who has to do bad things for what she sees as a greater good, like ALL of the protagonists in positions of power. 

[Annalee]

1 minute ago, chrisdaw said:

She's good but too much heart, not enough brain. Those looking at the series through a feminist lense are going to crack the shits when the primary female character is struck out for being too emotional.

Don't let the show fool you.  That's the work of Dan and Dave, not George Martin.  They created their own fan fiction.  The character of Daenerys in the book is a very smart young lady who used her wits to turn a bad marriage to her advantage.  She defeated men like Kraznys (sp?) and the titan's bastard while losing only a few of her men.  

[Leonardo]

On 7/14/2018 at 9:39 PM, Hugorfonics said:

Lol does that mean you dont like em?

Nah I loved em broheim, I just was on my phone and didn't realize there were like buttons now haha

[hodorisfaclessman]

17 hours ago, Son of Man said:

At least you admit you're trolling.

Dany is not a sociopath.  This young hero wants to free millions of slaves from their cruel masters.  That is not the work of a sociopath.  That is the work of a hero. 

It's normal to want back what your family built.  Would you criticize the Starks if they later want to take back Winterfell?  Robert and his incompetent supporters have brought nothing but disaster to the seven kingdoms.  Taking back Westeros would be an act of mercy and a mission of rescue.

 

But its not her home she cant even remember it

 

And roberts brought financial disaster but overall kingdoms were at peace and prosperous....compared to mereen under dany 

[hodorisfaclessman]

17 hours ago, Unacosamedarisa said:

I'm confused, what books are you reading where Dany, who shows more remorse and empathy than any other POV character, is a Sociopath to you? You claimed she saw anyone who opposed her securing the Iron Throne as forfeit. I showed that many, many people tried to dissuade her from seeking the throne, yet she did not forfeit their lives. If, like you say, she really was a Sociopath, when Drogo refused to go West, she would have started planning and plotting to kill him, to seize his power to use as her own, through their son, or something similar. Instead, she asks Jorah for advice on how she can convince Drogo to go West... not exactly Sociopathic, is it?

None of Dany's actions have been Sociopathic. 

Because, she knows she and any children she may have, will never be safe as long as the Usurper and his line sits on the Iron Throne, because Dany's very existence is a threat to their rule. Also, she thinks she can make a good ruler and a fairer society. Also, this is a medieval feudal world, not the modern world. Comparisons to modern dictators are nonsense. Instead, we should compare her to medieval Kings and similar... Was Henry V a Sociopath to you, because he pushed his claim to the French throne? Or compare her to her contemporaries in the books... Are any of the other claimants to any of the other thrones Sociopaths or villains because they try to push their claims, despite the death toll that will bring? 

Kill drago and rule through his son? Again utterly at odds with everything we know of the dothraki  and her feeling sorry for a few people she knows doesnt alter how she wants to wage a war potentialy killng thousands  to take back whats no longer rightfully hers! Hell jorah even gives her a dose of reality ie the smallfolk dont care and she STILL hankets after the throne!!!

Comparison to modern dictators is apt they can feel empathy for a few around them and still throw thousands in torture chambers and sleep sound at night. Dany is no different and to make matters worse she knows she cant have kids so anything she forges through mass bloodshed will fall apart into civil war after she dies

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1 hour ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

Kill drago and rule through his son? Again utterly at odds with everything we know of the dothraki 

Except, Dany didn't know that was how the Dothraki worked. She thought she had Drogo's true heir in her womb, and that the Khalasar would follow him, should Drogo die...

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"Khal Drogo commanded them to keep me safe," Dany replied uncertainly, "but if he dies …" She touched the swell of her belly. "I don't understand. Why should we flee? I am khaleesi. I carry Drogo's heir. He will be khal after Drogo …" AGoT, Daenerys VIII

So, by Dany's reckoning, she has the next Khal in her belly. When Drogo denied her the Iron Throne, a Sociopath would have at least started thinking about offing Drogo and putting her son in charge. But Dany didn't. Why didn't she, if she's such a Sociopath, who forfeits anyone who opposes her? 

1 hour ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

her feeling sorry for a few people she knows

And the millions of slaves? Literal millions of them she wishes to free? You conveniently ignore them here.

2 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

she wants to wage a war potentialy killng thousands  to take back whats no longer rightfully hers!

She still has a claim. Just because her family were deposed and she went into exile, it doesn't eradicate her claim. As Son of Man says above, it's normal to want back what your family built. Doesn't make her a bad person... especially because she thinks Westeros is currently being ruled by bad people, and that she would be a good person to rule Westeros. 

2 hours ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

Comparison to modern dictators is apt

No, it's not. Compare her to medieval/feudal rulers instead, it's what she's the equivalent to, and we're discussing medieval/feudal successions and claims and rights, not modern nation states... or do you just want to throw around that Dany's as bad as Saddam and Assad etc.?