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The Final & 3rd Place - FRA v. CRO / BEL v. ENG

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England need some midfielders to come through. As soon as they came up against a quality midfield they eventually got overrun. They can go with the same formation but with Alli behind Kane instead of Sterling, Rose/Sessegnon on the left to provide genuine width and attacking threat and two CMs with Henderson/Dier. Henderson played well but he cannot run the midfield by himself - Lingard is more of a secondary striker type player than a true CM. Once Croatia's midfield trio gained control of the midfield, it became very difficult for England to have any meaningful possession and they couldn't even effectively play on the counter.

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21 minutes ago, Consigliere said:

England need some midfielders to come through.



I've been discussing this elsewhere, it's actually really worrying how few there are if you're an England fan. Out of all the players that have been winning youth tournaments for England in the last few years, the only central mids who seem to have made any inroads at all in first team football at clubs at the top level are Tom Davies and Lewis Cook. Both of them are good players (Davies in particular is the one I think Southgate should be incorporating into the squad asap building to the Euros) but neither are creative geniuses or anything and past that it's thin pickings.

Will Hughes could yet make a meaningful contribution but he needs to have an injury-free top-flight season before he's considered.

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1 hour ago, polishgenius said:

I've been discussing this elsewhere, it's actually really worrying how few there are if you're an England fan. Out of all the players that have been winning youth tournaments for England in the last few years, the only central mids who seem to have made any inroads at all in first team football at clubs at the top level are Tom Davies and Lewis Cook. Both of them are good players (Davies in particular is the one I think Southgate should be incorporating into the squad asap building to the Euros) but neither are creative geniuses or anything and past that it's thin pickings.

Will Hughes could yet make a meaningful contribution but he needs to have an injury-free top-flight season before he's considered.

There's Phil Foden, Mason Mount (though getting shunted out on loan to Derby as a favour to Lampard is dispiriting), Angel Gomes, George McEachran coming through. Most of them from the u17 instead of u20 World Cup winners, so haven't made their mark yet.

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Given that Didier Deschamps had the boules massives to drop 14 of the 23 who got him all the way to the Euro 2016 final he seems a pretty nice bet to buck this trend of champions choking in the subsequent tournament supposedly due to staleness.

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Deschamps also has the luxury of having a wealth of talent waiting in the wings if he needs to freshen things up. Plus their main fullbacks - Sidibe and Mendy -  didn't play much (both only featured against Denmark) due to fitness concerns - Sidibe missed the last month or so of the season due to injury and Mendy was out for most of the season.

Dembele, Tolisso and Fekir were used mainly from the bench and then you still have Thauvin (who only came on for a few minutes against Argentina) and Lemar (who only featured against Denmark). Laporte, Martial, Coman, Bakayoko, Rabiot and Lacazette were not even selected and there's highly rated Ndombele waiting in the wings as well. 

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If you guys had to throw out a number just on a whim how much of this same French club is the same roster for the 2020 Euro?  Not knowing the scene as well as y'all it seems like they'd be in great shape if they just returned the exact same starting lineup but from the recent posts and others the past few weeks it seems like many folks that started in this WC will seriously need to look over their shoulders.  

Am I insane or was there a Dembele on both France and Belgium?  

ETA:  Which is not to suggest that even if that were so that it would prove that I was not insane.

Merci

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6 minutes ago, Mark Antony said:

Yes Moussa Dembele for Belgium and Ousmane Dembele for France :)  



It could be worse- there's a Moussa Dembele who's French.
They were very briefly at the same club- Fulham, too, though Belgian Dembele moved on to Spurs very swiftly. They have also been linked with buying the Frenchman repeatedly, but the dream of them playing together has never been realised.

 

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Holy shit, thanks, haha.

Were both the Dembele on France and the Dembele on Belgium both people that it was oft-speculated should have come off the bench and played more?  

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7 hours ago, Triskjavikson said:

Were both the Dembele on France and the Dembele on Belgium both people that it was oft-speculated should have come off the bench and played more?  

Belgian Dembele, definitely. I think French Dembele could have been used more since France were mainly looking to play on the counter and he would have brought more pace to the attack in addition to Mbappe - basically Mbappe on the left, Dembele on the right and Griezmann behind Giroud. But Deschamps preferred the more conservative approach with Matuidi who offers more defensive solidity. 

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8 hours ago, Triskjavikson said:

Holy shit, thanks, haha.

Were both the Dembele on France and the Dembele on Belgium both people that it was oft-speculated should have come off the bench and played more?  

Belgian Dembele started in the semi-final or the quarter-final, I forget which one. He struggled and Martinez subbed him out in the 2nd half.

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Moussa had a very bad day in the semi's. Everyone thought it was great Martinez put him on the field against French... Not so good idea in the end. 

He was much better against England though. 

But then England's midfield is almost non-existing, something that was very visible in the match against Belgium.

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