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Who would win a war between Tywin and prime Robert Baratheon?

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48 minutes ago, hodorisfaclessman said:

Huh i was talking sandor  gregor was freakishly big yes but sandor wasnt

Theres no evidence the hound is freakishly big just  a huge  strong adult man ..at 13ish hed have been a big lad but prob no match for most  adult knights 

We know at 12 he killed a man but that could have been anyone and dunno the circumstances (ie fair fight or just killed in a sudden rage by whatever sandor had at hand ) either way hes prob not gonna be much use in battle vs knights  til 16ish onwards.... possibly a bit later than gregor was noticed as he didnt have his brothers enormous bulk 

Maybe a bit shorter than the Hound, maybe roughly the same height as Robert. Robert Baratheon is 6'6.

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Good to know, a war between Tywin and Robert would absolutely come down to how tall Sandor was at age 12. No other aspects would factor in at all. Glad this was topic was covered.

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Tywin has more skills than Robert.  Tywin finds a way to beat his enemies outside of the field of battle.  Robb, Rhaegar, and Robert are warriors and only looked at battle plans.  Tywin looks at the big picture and uses what will work.  He would be proud of Dany if they were on the same team because they both find a way to win when the odds are against them.  Tywin used Walder and Roose to defeat Robb for him.  Robert will try to draw Tywin out in single combat and Tywin will turn the tables and look for ways to trap Robert.   He can do what Bloodraven did to the Blackfyres.  Tywin, Bloodraven, and Dany use more than fighting skills to win.  Robert may win on the field but Tywin will beat him in the end.  

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2 hours ago, Ser Leftwich said:

Good to know, a war between Tywin and Robert would absolutely come down to how tall Sandor was at age 12. No other aspects would factor in at all. Glad this was topic was covered.

This too. 

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On 7/19/2018 at 5:44 PM, Lee-Sensei said:

Eddard says that Robert was in command.

Mace Tyrell is in command but Randell Tarly makes the plans.

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6 hours ago, DarkerStar said:

Mace Tyrell is in command but Randell Tarly makes the plans.

That's a ridiculous comparison. We already know that Robert is regarded as a good commander. Tarlys reputation rests on defeating him.

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A prime Sandor is STILL below prime Robert who in 1v1 armoured combat is the top of the food chain by skill and weapon speciality, so his height at 12 or 25 is irrelevant. It would take both Cleganes at adult ages to stop him at that time.

As a commander it´s in the story, his military CV and success is surpassed only by Aegon with WMD's.

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4 minutes ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said:

A prime Sandor is STILL below prime Robert who in 1v1 armoured combat is the top of the food chain by skill and weapon speciality, so his height at 12 or 25 is irrelevant. It would take both Cleganes at adult ages to stop him at that time.

As a commander it´s in the story, his military CV and success is surpassed only by Aegon with WMD's.

You just can’t stop this obsession. Your belief is false, however.

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7 minutes ago, Free Northman Reborn said:

You just can’t stop this obsession. Your belief is false, however.

Obsessive maybe, false belief i don't think so. Maybe there´s more equal cv's but better ones... aside from the Conqueror's?

As for the Sandor/Robert comment it's not false by a looooong shot

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5 minutes ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said:

Obsessive maybe, false belief i don't think so. Maybe there´s more equal cv's but better ones... aside from the Conqueror's?

As for the Sandor/Robert comment it's not false by a looooong shot

Robert isn’t a top ten fighter. 

EDIT

Or rather, he is a top ten contender, but along with a bunch of others. And certainly doesn’t crack the top 5.

Edited by Free Northman Reborn

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1 hour ago, Free Northman Reborn said:

Robert isn’t a top ten fighter. 

EDIT

Or rather, he is a top ten contender, but along with a bunch of others. And certainly doesn’t crack the top 5.

 i'm talking prime Robert

 a guy who Ned says is peerless as a combatant, the same guy who fought Dayne before said quote, and it wasn't parcial because he said Dayne was the best knight he ever saw and Bob was a knight aswell, but being a knight isn´t just combat prowess.

 more 1v1 noble kills than most (aside from Barristan, who had double the years as a carreer soldier) including Dayne, Jaime, etc.

a specialist in warhammer use, a deadlier weapon for armoured combat than any sword and most other weapons

  "In his youth Robert Baratheon was a paragon of a man, stronger and larger than most others on the battlefield. His chosen weapon was a war hammer of such immense size his friend Ned Stark could not wield it. The hammer was forged by Donal Noye while he was still the smith at Storm’s End, and Robert’s prowess with it was legendary."georgerrmartin.com

"Warhammers always had spikes. It was part of what made them so deadly." Grrm not a blog

 defeated Jon Connington ( a deadly knight by his own merit chosen ahead of any KG by Aerys II, with textual noble kills) while recovering from injury with a secondary weapon

 killed rhaegar despite being on horseback (the best chance for the prince who was a much better jouster, a major skill for targeting enemies on horse), a 1v1 on foot would end early

again, Grafton, Fell, Mooton, Connington, Rhaegar... noble knights that make a list supporting every comment on Robert's prowess

who else can grab the number 1 spot? this character has textual comments, kills, and physical/weapon skills that put to shame the vast majority in the story...

martial 1v1 cv's only barristan can match, who had much more years of combat, dayne is mostly compliments from others, the smilling knight, and grrm's words wich put him on the best ever list but in no way superior to Robert aside from sword mastery, jaime is top 5 but a slightly below version of Dayne and that's the major dogs, Daemon BF and Aemon DK are other greats but as sword users are still below barristan/dayne/jaime

imo Prime Robert, Dayne and Barristan are top3 ever followed very closely by Jaime, so to me neither Clegane could defeat prime robert in any stage of their lifes, wich doesn´t mean they are not top 10

 

sorry if this gets off topic, as a battle commander to me he ranks above tywin

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Robert fought always on the front, and was involved in more battles than almost any other character besides Selmy. 

 

Nobody was proben or tested more than him as a fighter in the whole stories. Yet he survived all these fights. Maybe Dayne could had survived such a battle record, maybe not. 

 

Fact is, Robert is the real deal. He has the best record in the game of trying to kill without being killed. By far.

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