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1 minute ago, polishgenius said:

Yeah on the evidence so far I'd drop Xhaka for Torreira, not Gendouzi.

But then I'm not a fan of Xhaka in general.

This is right. Xhaka was terrible.

Other change I'd make is when Monreal gets back, drop Bellerin for Lichtensteiner.

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I wouldn't drop Bellerin. Lichtsteiner was a boss though, didn't do much wrong at all. 

It's a bit weird seeing the negative reaction all over twitter, I didn't think we were that bad. We had a few good moments, a lot of that team is very new. 

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Arsenal didn't play that bad. City seemed to take their foot off the gas in the 2nd half and Arsenal had a few chances from City errors at the back but they couldn't capitalise. City were by far the better side in the 1st half though. It's a bit worrying for the rest of the league that City were not at their best and without D. Silva and KdB starting on the bench yet they won fairly comfortably against both Chelsea and Arsenal. Hard to draw any conclusions of Emery's first competitive game in charge as City are simply a tier above everyone else in the league. 

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28 minutes ago, Raja said:

I wouldn't drop Bellerin. Lichtsteiner was a boss though, didn't do much wrong at all. 

It's a bit weird seeing the negative reaction all over twitter, I didn't think we were that bad. We had a few good moments, a lot of that team is very new. 

I don't think Bellerin has played well for over a year. His timing of overlaps is poor, his offensive and defensive positioning is mostly poor and his crossing is mediocre. I just think Lichtsteiner would be better defensively and going forward based on everything I've seen of him and Bellerin.

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I had a dream that Sturridge will remain fit till end of the season and score 20 goals :D

Anyway,great start from us.Mane and keita were outstanding,rest of the team played with good energy and no mistakes at the back.Happy with that.:)

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Some sweet goals this weekend, but Shaw's was the best. 

Just a shame he had to do it in those goofy red socks United have decided to wear this season.

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After Liverpool’s third (and slightly offside) goal, I was feeling pity for West Ham.  Anfield is like a wood chipper for opposing teams.  The Hammers must have had some optimism for a new season under a great new manager and plenty of good signings, they had a decent game plan to stay compact and use the pace and power of Felipe Anderson, Antonio and Arnautovic to counter-attack, but they just got the run-around all day.  They looked sick of it before 55 minutes. 

Very good by Liverpool.  There were lots of good performances.  Gomez deserves special mention for a quality showing despite being a relative outsider to the team and only just coming back from a long injury with a stop-start preseason.  If he can just stay healthy he could do really well at CB.  We won the game in MF and all three were very good.  Keita makes our midfield more dangerous.  Mane was electric and confident, well-deserving of two goals.  We had quite a few good chances we didn’t take but that kind of sharpness will return.  TAA was quite good in general play but his crossing was abysmal (and usually is very good), also Firmino was still slightly off the pace — I expect both will be closer to normal levels by next match. 

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Bakayoko joins AC Milan on loan. Some reports say that Milan have an option to buy for £35m. 

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3 hours ago, Consigliere said:

Bakayoko joins AC Milan on loan. Some reports say that Milan have an option to buy for £35m. 

A move seems good for all parties but that fee is generous after his last season. 

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8 hours ago, Mexal said:

I don't think Bellerin has played well for over a year. His timing of overlaps is poor, his offensive and defensive positioning is mostly poor and his crossing is mediocre. I just think Lichtsteiner would be better defensively and going forward based on everything I've seen of him and Bellerin.

Hmm. I think he's had no one to play with on that right side. He was okay with AOC because he actually had a partner. He's usually asked to handle the whole right wing himself, tbh, except for when Iwobi plays. For now, we need the swiss on the left though. We'll see how Hector gets on. 

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10 hours ago, Iskaral Pust said:

A move seems good for all parties but that fee is generous after his last season. 

Unless Bakayoko reproduces his Monaco form, I doubt Milan would exercise the option to buy.

There are also reports surfacing that Milan are preparing a bid for Milinkovic-Savic.

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21 hours ago, Consigliere said:

Premier League clubs voted against VAR being used in the league this season. It will continue to be trialled in the League Cup and FA Cup.

It will be interesting to see if the success it had at the WC changes anything more quickly.  

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I think Pep’s change in wing play caught Arsenal by surprise: Ozil and Mkhi in wide positions supposedly tracking Mendy and Walker was a big mismatch.  But last season City played with wide wingers and their FBs didn’t overlap, they inverted into almost MFs behind the attacking play just ahead of the CBs.  In that case Ozil and Mkhi would have been well positioned.  But instead Pep played inverted wingers and asked the FBs to overlap for width.  Suddenly Arsenal’s FBs (especially the makeshift LB) were over-run.  One goal came from an inverted winger cutting inside (and no-one blocking the shot) and the second came from an overlapping FB making a great cross from the by-line. 

Arsenal should have guessed what was happening when both Sterling and Mahrez were named in the starting 11, but they never adjusted to it. 

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17 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

I think Pep’s change in wing play caught Arsenal by surprise: Ozil and Mkhi in wide positions supposedly tracking Mendy and Walker was a big mismatch.  But last season City played with wide wingers and their FBs didn’t overlap, they inverted into almost MFs behind the attacking play just ahead of the CBs.  In that case Ozil and Mkhi would have been well positioned.  But instead Pep played inverted wingers and asked the FBs to overlap for width.  Suddenly Arsenal’s FBs (especially the makeshift LB) were over-run.  One goal came from an inverted winger cutting inside (and no-one blocking the shot) and the second came from an overlapping FB making a great cross from the by-line. 

Arsenal should have guessed what was happening when both Sterling and Mahrez were named in the starting 11, but they never adjusted to it. 

Arsenal really can't adjust. They have no wingers which is a clear need going forward. Thought Pep did a good job tactically with the wingers to help break the press. Also thought Arsenal did a better job in the 2nd half when they brought in Lacazette for Ramsey and gave Ozil more of a free flowing role. Emery is still figuring it out and the players are still adjusting. Playing City week 1 was rough.

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1 minute ago, Mexal said:

Arsenal really can't adjust. They have no wingers which is a clear need going forward. Thought Pep did a good job tactically with the wingers to help break the press. Also thought Arsenal did a better job in the 2nd half when they brought in Lacazette for Ramsey and gave Ozil more of a free flowing role. Emery is still figuring it out and the players are still adjusting. Playing City week 1 was rough.

I agree on the lack of width.  I don’t see Iwobi or Welbeck in your best XI.  So why try to play 4-2-3-1 (with no width in the 3) unless it’s against a very defensive opponent whose FBs stay back?  Against any opponent with width a 4-3-3 or a 3-5-2 would work better.  Ramsey as #10 alongside Ozil, Mkhi and Auba is over-balanced because three of them are too similar.  Either Ramsey has to play as a MF  — left or right of the DM in a three (like Milner or Keita) — or one of he or Mkhi has to be left out.  I think Arsenal will look better as a counterattacking team with the pace of Auba and Laca and quick through passes by Ozil, with Ramsey/Mkhi rushing forward to support the attack but then recovering to their position in the MF 3.

Arsenal could play something similar to Liverpool’s system yesterday with Ozil as Firmino, Auba and Laca as Mane and Salah, and Ramsey and Mkhi as Keita and Milner, and Torreira as Gini.  It requires your #8s to do some ball winning because otherwise you have too many players with no structured responsibilities to defend or keep shape.

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52 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

I agree on the lack of width.  I don’t see Iwobi or Welbeck in your best XI.  So why try to play 4-2-3-1 (with no width in the 3) unless it’s against a very defensive opponent whose FBs stay back?  Against any opponent with width a 4-3-3 or a 3-5-2 would work better.  Ramsey as #10 alongside Ozil, Mkhi and Auba is over-balanced because three of them are too similar.  Either Ramsey has to play as a MF  — left or right of the DM in a three (like Milner or Keita) — or one of he or Mkhi has to be left out.  I think Arsenal will look better as a counterattacking team with the pace of Auba and Laca and quick through passes by Ozil, with Ramsey/Mkhi rushing forward to support the attack but then recovering to their position in the MF 3.

Arsenal could play something similar to Liverpool’s system yesterday with Ozil as Firmino, Auba and Laca as Mane and Salah, and Ramsey and Mkhi as Keita and Milner, and Torreira as Gini.  It requires your #8s to do some ball winning because otherwise you have too many players with no structured responsibilities to defend or keep shape.

Looked like we were mostly in a 4-3-3 rather than a 4-2-3-1 which is probably part of the issue and Emery had Ramsey playing more or less CF because he wanted to press the back line. But with the wingers as outlets, they moved through the press fairly easily and Ramsey was more or less out of the picture in the midfield which is where you want him. I don't think it was a good set up at all and completely wasted Ramsey at CF, put Ozil in a real tough spot on the right wing and kept Auba mostly out of the game.

I think if we did play a similar system to Liverpool, I'd do what you said but have Guendouzi partnered with Ramsey rather than Mkhi and have Mkhi replace Ozil/Lacazette as needed. It could work.

ETA: One additional issue is we're not very good at building up from the back and having this run through Cech seems counter to his skillset. Either play Leno or build differently.

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22 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

Not bad at all that.

Saw this yesterday. This was awesome. 

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16 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

I was genuinely peeved at Acosta's celebration. Show some respect!

To be fair that was his hattrick to win the game in the last minute of injury time too. That everybody ran to him rather than Rooney is quite telling though. Hard to blame the DC United players when Rooney came in mid season, was immediately given the captaincy and earns what Acosta (who appears to be one of their better payed players) does in a year within in a week and a half.

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