Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Ah, so it wasn’t enough to put Eli in the same conversation as Favre, but now Montana and Brady are in it too. FFS this thread has jumped the shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Greenleif Stark Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, SpaceForce Tywin et al. said: Ah, so it wasn’t enough to put Eli in the same conversation as Favre, but now Montana and Brady are in it too. FFS this thread has jumped the shark. you've literally made no case for Eli not being considered as good as Favre and made no case why Eli shouldn't be in the HOF or why he's considered "fringe" HOFer, just like everyother person that hates on Eli......you accused me of not being objective about this, when in fact I've stated nothing but stats comparing Eli and Brett......And yes, sorry to break it to you but, Eli can be talked about in the same sentence as Montana and Brady or Bart Starr and Terry Bradshaw because they're the only 5 players in NFL history with multiple SB MVPs. I'm not saying Eli is as good as them but he most certainly has something in common with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyjack Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, SpaceForce Tywin et al. said: Ah, so it wasn’t enough to put Eli in the same conversation as Favre, but now Montana and Brady are in it too. FFS this thread has jumped the shark. You're wasting your time arguing with a guy who very likely created a 2nd account just so he could get some backup in his pro Eli Manning argument. The only reasonable move is to throw Jace at him and back away slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Greenleif Stark Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Whiskeyjack said: You're wasting your time arguing with a guy who very likely created a 2nd account just so he could get some backup in his pro Eli Manning argument. The only reasonable move is to throw Jace at him and back away slowly. throw anyone you want at me, the numbers don't lie......people just need to admit that they don't like Eli. If people would just say "I flat out don't like Eli Manning," rather than saying hes a mediocre QB or some other BS response that downplays his skills I would respect them more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Storm Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 If the other account your refering to is me, then no, and believe it or not more than 1 person can have a different (and correct) opinion that you dont think is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Storm Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 And ill handle anyone you throw at me also. If you need someone get your points across then you never had one to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Well that escalated quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 hours ago, the Greenleif Stark said: Lets try again... Brett Favre: career average completion percentage = 62%, career QB rating = 86, INT % = 3.3, #2 all time passing yards, #2 all time passing TD's Eli Manning: career average completion percentage = 59%, career QB rating = 83.5, INT % = 3.1, #6 all time passing yards, #8 all time TD's What's the difference? Respectively, 3% passing percentage, 3 points QB rating, and about 10,000 passing yards, and about 200 TDs. That's sort of a massive difference. Also: Eli didn't get an MVP in the two seasons he made superbowl. Brett Favre got it 3 years in a row. And Brett Favre was significantly more famous in his era (which featured QBs like Aikman and Montana and Young) than Eli Manning - for a hall of FAME, that's kind of a big deal. Eli didn't even show his dick to Jenn Sterger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I guess another way to say it is this: there has never, not a single year, been a reasonable case that Eli Manning was the best QB in that year. Not a single one. Most years he wasn't even in the top 5 of that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quijote Light Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 In his career, Eli has finished in the top five for yards three times, has never finished in the top five for completion percentage (he’s only finished in the top ten once), and in the top five in TDs once. Favre finished in the top five in yards eleven times, in the top five for completion percentage six times, and in the top five for TDs eleven times. During his career Eli has never led the league in any of those categories. Favre led the league in yards twice, in completion percentage once, and in TDs four times. For reference I’m a Bears fan, so I pretty much loathe Brett Favre. But saying that he and the lesser Manning are comparable is ridiculous. eta: I got my numbers from Pro Football Reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Yknow that part in Django when D'artagnon gets torn apart by Mr. Stonecypher's dogs? That's what I feel like right now. Except the dogs are a slackjawed troll and his alt while mocking Leo has been replaced by the disappointed Football Gawds. Forgive me, fathers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Storm Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Ive never said Eli was better than Farve. Brett, when hot, was the best player on the field. Eli has never had that high a ceiling. I just believe that the Eli hate is completely crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Storm Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Is this the aforementioned Jace, come to bring the gospel to all the non-believers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Greenleif Stark Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3% difference in accuracy and 3 points on QB rating is hardly a big difference. My point wasn't to say Eli is better than Favre, again I think Brett is a great QB, not one of the top 5 or 10 all time, and I'm in no way claiming Eli is in the top 5 or 10 all time either, I just used Brett Favre to compare Eli to, they both have similar styles of play with a big cannon and taking chances, Favre was better on his feet and more creative outside the pocket though. Yes, Favre played 20 years, thats a lot and that's where the extra yards come from, that's why I used their completion percentage, QB rating and INT percentage to compare. Eli's had to play with better stat QB's than Favre. Yea Eli was never the leader in any major stat category ever, so what? He's number 6 all time in passing yards and 8 for TDs and is fringe HOF? I just don't get that. There's only 11 QBs to ever win multiple SBs(5 to win multiple SB MVPs) and only one isn't in the HOF(Jim Plunkett). Of the 8 QBs that went to multiple SBs but only won one, 2 aren't in the HOF, Thiesmann and Craig Morton(besides active players obviously). Look, my point has never been to say Eli is better than Favre. Like Storm, I just wanna know where the Eli hate comes from or people to admit that they think Eli isn't a HOFer simply because they don't like him. A mediocre, fringe HOF QB doesn't randomly find himself at #6 for all time passing yards and 8 for TDs, isn't a 2x SB MVP, Eli is there because he is a good QB and a HOFer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Greenleif Stark Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Quijote Light said: In his career, Eli has finished in the top five for yards three times, has never finished in the top five for completion percentage (he’s only finished in the top ten once), and in the top five in TDs once. Favre finished in the top five in yards eleven times, in the top five for completion percentage six times, and in the top five for TDs eleven times. During his career Eli has never led the league in any of those categories. Favre led the league in yards twice, in completion percentage once, and in TDs four times. For reference I’m a Bears fan, so I pretty much loathe Brett Favre. But saying that he and the lesser Manning are comparable is ridiculous. eta: I got my numbers from Pro Football Reference. at least this guy brought stats with him and made valid points, thank you.....but let me ask you, as a Bears fan, would you rather have Favre's carrer for them or Eli's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @mormont Can we get a look at this serial troll and his obvious alt? Isn't that against board policy? I know it's against my bored policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Storm Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Please, give me a break. When two or more people dont agree with you they obviously have to be the same people arguement cant be the reason people tag you in to try and make their points ring true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Storm Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said: @mormont Can we get a look at this serial troll and his obvious alt? Isn't that against board policy? I know it's against my bored policy. Someone calls you in, you call in the mods. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defense rests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quijote Light Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, the Greenleif Stark said: at least this guy brought stats with him and made valid points, thank you.....but let me ask you, as a Bears fan, would you rather have Favre's carrer for them or Eli's? Easy. Favre’s. Other than the two Superb Owls, the Giants have been one and done with Eli at the helm. Favre got his teams to five NFC championships. He won eight division titles. They aren’t comparable players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, the Greenleif Stark said: 3% difference in accuracy and 3 points on QB rating is hardly a big difference. When you're talking about an average rate of 61%, it's a big deal. It's the difference between being below average or elite. Having a 65% career completion percentage is amazing; having a 59% one makes you close to Josh Allen. 16 minutes ago, the Greenleif Stark said: My point wasn't to say Eli is better than Favre, again I think Brett is a great QB, not one of the top 5 or 10 all time, and I'm in no way claiming Eli is in the top 5 or 10 all time either, I just used Brett Favre to compare Eli to, they both have similar styles of play with a big cannon and taking chances, Favre was better on his feet and more creative outside the pocket though. Yes, Favre played 20 years, thats a lot and that's where the extra yards come from, that's why I used their completion percentage, QB rating and INT percentage to compare. Okay, and you're wrong. 16 minutes ago, the Greenleif Stark said: Eli's had to play with better stat QB's than Favre. Yea Eli was never the leader in any major stat category ever, so what? That's kind of a big deal when talking about the hall of fame. 16 minutes ago, the Greenleif Stark said: He's number 6 all time in passing yards and 8 for TDs and is fringe HOF? I just don't get that. There's only 11 QBs to ever win multiple SBs(5 to win multiple SB MVPs) and only one isn't in the HOF(Jim Plunkett). Of the 8 QBs that went to multiple SBs but only won one, 2 aren't in the HOF, Thiesmann and Craig Morton(besides active players obviously). All of those QBs should go in before Eli does. 16 minutes ago, the Greenleif Stark said: Look, my point has never been to say Eli is better than Favre. Like Storm, I just wanna know where the Eli hate comes from or people to admit that they think Eli isn't a HOFer simply because they don't like him. A mediocre, fringe HOF QB doesn't randomly find himself at #6 for all time passing yards and 8 for TDs, isn't a 2x SB MVP, Eli is there because he is a good QB and a HOFer You're mistaking Eli uncaring for Eli hate. I don't hate Eli Manning; I barely think about him, except when random NYG fans come in to start sucking his dick and telling us we should also like the taste. And you're right, a mediocre, fringe HOF QB doesn't do those things - they end up being not even fringe at that point. I think that Eli Manning isn't a HOF because he doesn't measure up in any real way to any of the QBs in the HOF, other than in longevity of career. And that's not that special for QBs. I mean seriously, look at this chart of passer ratings and where Eli Manning resides on it, and tell me truthfully how 'special' he is. As to passing yards, Eli Manning's career passing yards are 10 THOUSAND less than Marino's, and are closer to Carson Palmer's. 17 minutes ago, the Greenleif Stark said: at least this guy brought stats with him and made valid points, thank you.....but let me ask you, as a Bears fan, would you rather have Favre's carrer for them or Eli's? As a Bears fan I wouldn't care about which I got, because either would instantly become the best QB the Bears have ever had. If Brett Favre unretired right this instant, and played for the Bears, he would be the best QB the Bears had. The argument is incredibly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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