Bazzlebane Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 You might want to try the Appendixes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 That'd work if I had access to the books at all while posting... instead, all I've got is my memory of the books and the 'net as my guides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeoleron9 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 The generals system is flawed, after some 20 turns there are usually no more 'generals' left, every one got adopted and became family members. Even if you choose not to adopt they can't get married so no heirs and their bloodlines will eventually die out. So we'll have to adopt Dacey under maybe Bran, or after some years there won't be anymore Mormonts. Strange system on CA's part(again) and I'm guessing it's hardcoded...(speaking of Dacey, I think she's a general with a femail trait? likewise with Brienne..) —DAGMER called CLEFTJAW, captain of Foamdrinker —GERMUND BOTLEY, made Lord of Lordsport —WALDON WYNCH, Lord of Iron Holt, —RODRIK HARLAW, THE READER —BOREMUND HARLAW, called BOREMUND THE BLUE, —RALF KENNING —BAELOR BLACKTYDE, Lord of Blacktyde, captain of the Nightflyer, —DUNSTAN DRUMM, The Drumm, captain of Thunderer, —ANDRIK THE UNSMILING, a giant of a man, —GOROLD GOODBROTHER, Lord of the Hammerhorn, —THE SPARR, —MELDRED MERLYN, Lord of Pebbleton, —LORD ORKWOOD OF ORKMONT, —LORD DONNOR SALTCLIFFE, —GYLBERT FARWYND, Lord of the Lonely Light, Here's what I got from the appendix in AFoC. Sawane Botley and his son were both dead at that time and replaced by Germund, and I took out some of the younger heirs. I'm considering one of Victarion's champions and the old Kingsmoot contender: —ERIK IRONMAKER, called ERIK ANVIL-BREAKER and ERIK THE JUST, —Victarion’s champions: RED RALF STONEHOUSE, RALF THE LIMPER, and NUTE THE BARBER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeoleron9 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Oh and did that priest effect for generals thing work? If so we can add some drowned priests as generals. Aeron, Tarle thrice-drowned and Old Grey Gull are some of the priests in the appendix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted February 16, 2007 Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 What priest effect for generals? And we're going to turn adoption off, I believe so that won't be a problem. The mod will only span maybe fifty years at most, so I dont think we need to concern ourselves about bloodlines dying out, unless you get them all killed in battle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeoleron9 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 There was a debate on the religious system we want to use some pages back. Since it wasn't tested then I guess we're sticking with the old priest agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curiousepic Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hate to get this in late, but if we could get exact or approximate ages for each general (the only bit of info besides the name we need) so I don'tcome up with random and likely wrong guesses, that would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hate to get this in late, but if we could get exact or approximate ages for each general (the only bit of info besides the name we need) so I don'tcome up with random and likely wrong guesses, that would be awesome. Raaaaaan! Help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewietobbacca Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Raaaaaan! Help! I'd like to thank curiousepic for helping take over the map making part. Lots of stuff happenin' right now that's been taking up my time so hopefully all is going well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curiousepic Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Yep, quite well. The problem I was having was I used an RGB value of 0,0,0 for the lowest elevation in heights, and apparently that causes the error. It wasn't stated in most of the documentation I read, and apparently no one thought to suggest it until then. But I think the person that mentioned it actually registered to TWCenter just to tell me (it was their first post). I thanked them profusely of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive User Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 There was a debate on the religious system we want to use some pages back. Since it wasn't tested then I guess we're sticking with the old priest agents? You can use the blood, broads and bastard mods effect, where they use hereditary traits to determine bloodlines. That way, you can have a dead faction leader or something, and lots of "heirs".For example, Lord Eddard dead, with Greatjon Umber, Lady Mormont, Robb Stark, Bran Stark, Rickon Stark, Roose Bolton etc. all as heirs, but only the Starks have the Stark bloodline, while all the rest have Umber, Mormont, Bolton etc. Check it out on TWCenter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeoleron9 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 A BBB loyalist myself, I'd really love it if the team would adopt it. That said I think I'll content myself with the basic faction bloodlines, there's like a hundred minor houses in ASOIF and believe me the triggers are numerous for these things. The way things are going seems most of the modders are waiting for the next patch which will hopefully enable some malfunctioning triggers and some bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Okay... bad stretch at work... now I've got a bit more time, so here goes: Ser Janos Slynt - Commander of the Gold Cloaks (early) Ser Jacelyn Bywater - Commander of the Gold Cloaks (later on) Ser Osmund Kettleblack Ser Osfryd Kettleblack Ser Oswell Kettleblack Ser Aron Santagar - Master-At-Arms of the Red Keep Lord Gyles Rosby of Rosby Lord Commander Barristan Selmy of the Kingsguard Ser Jaime Lannister of the Kingsguard Ser Boros Blount of the Kingsguard Ser Arys Oakheart of the Kingsguard Ser Preston Greenfield of the Kingsguard Ser Mandon Moore of the Kingsguard Ser Meryn Trant of the Kingsguard There aren't many House lords who would function as generals here... so I include members of the Kingsguard, who lead armies in battle for the Crown. I'm split on whether to include the Hound... but I'm leaning towards non-inclusion. He's a soldier and personal bodyguard, *not* a leader or commander. Perhaps he'd function better as a retinue member. Gyles Rosby would likely make a worthless battle commander, but would perhaps have traits making him more of an economic/governor leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Ser Ryon Allyrion of Godsgrace Daemon Sand, the Bastard of Godsgrace Lady Larra Blackmont Jynessa Blackmont Ser Deziel Dalt of Lemonwood Ser Andrey Dalt of Lemonwood Ser Gerold Dayne of High Hermitage Lord Edric Dayne of Starfall (minor?) Lord Tremond Gargalen of Salt Shore Lord Trebor Jordayne of the Tor Lord Dagos Manwoody of Kingsgrave Mors Manwoody of Kingsgrave Lord Quentyn Qorgyle of Sandstone Gulian Qorgyle of Sandstone Ser Symon Santagar of Spottswood Sylva Santagar of Spottswood Lady Nymella Toland of Ghost Hill Lord Harmen Uller of Hellholt Lord Anders Yronwood Ser Cletus Yronwood Lady Obara Sand Lady Nymeria Sand Lady Tyene Sand Lady Sarella Sand (minor?) There are quite a few here... and some could likely be cut out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeoleron9 Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I for one would liked to see Hound as a general, he did lead some sorties during the siege of Kingslanding... and it'll give him a chance to kill his beast of a brother. Besides if the Crownlands are down to using Kettlebacks, Clegane wouldn't seem so bad.. Kingsguard...I'm guessing ancilliaries again, dunno if there's a trigger to turn them celibate though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 The Hound may have led some sorties, but he never commanded troops, never led a host, nor managed any construction, economics, or did anything other than function as a bodyguard or minor lieutenant. I still can't see Sandor as a General in the M2TW sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adequate Jon Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Mance Rayder Harma Dogshead Tormund Giantsbane Rattleshirt Varamyr Sixskins Mag the Mighty Styr, the Magnar of Thenn The Weeper Jarl Alfyn Crowkiller You could also add Orell, the guy who warged into the eagle before he died. ETA Jarl and Alfyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adequate Jon Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 As far as ages go, I think the best we could do would be to assign a generation to each man. For example: - anyone from Tywin's generation would be assigned a "1" or a "T" or whatever - anyone from Ned's generation would be assigned a "2" or an "N" or whatever - anyone from Robb's generation would be assigned a "3" or an "R" or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 That wouldn't be a bad way to do it... there are some characters (like Joffrey, Robb, etc.) for whom we've got exact ages, but they'll take a bit of research (and I don't have access to the texts when I post these messages)... but for many of the others, we can put down a generation, and then randomly set an age... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adequate Jon Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Here are the ages given at Towerofthehand.com I don't know which book the ages should come from. House_Arryn_______AGOT_ACOK_ASOS_AFFC Robert_Arryn_________6____8____8____8 House_Baratheon___AGOT_ACOK_ASOS_AFFC Joffrey_Baratheon___12___13___13___12 Myrcella_Baratheon___8____9____9____9 Tommen_Baratheon_____7____8____8____8 Shireen_Baratheon____9___10___11___11 House_Frey________AGOT_ACOK_ASOS_AFFC Amerei_Frey___________________16_____ Roslin_Frey______________16___16___16 House_Martell_____AGOT_ACOK_ASOS_AFFC Obara_Sand_________________________28 Nymeria_Sand_______________________25 Tyene_Sand_________________________23 Sarella_Sand_______________________19 Elia_Sand__________________________14 Obella_Sand________________________12 Dorea_Sand__________________________8 Loreza_Sand_________________________6 House_Stark_______AGOT_ACOK_ASOS_AFFC Robb_Stark__________14___15___16_____ Sansa_Stark_________11___12___12___13 Arya_Stark___________9___10___10___11 Bran_Stark___________7____8____9____9 Rickon_Stark_________3____4____4____4 Jon_Snow____________14___15__________ House_Targaryen___AGOT_ACOK_ASOS_AFFC Daenerys_Targaryen__13___14__________ House_Tyrell______AGOT_ACOK_ASOS_AFFC Margaery_Tyrell_____14___15___15___16 Miscellany________AGOT_ACOK_ASOS_AFFC Bar_Emmon,_Duram_________14___15___15 Bulwer,_Alysanne_______________8____8 Cerwyn,_Cley_____________14___14_____ Chyttering,_Lucos_____________16___16 Glover,_Gawen_____________3____3____3 Glover,_Erena_____________1____1_____ Hill,_Joy________________11___11___11 Karstark,_Alys_____________________15 Norcross,_Alester___________________9 Norcross,_Renly_____________________3 Payne,_Podrick_____________________10 Reed,_Meera______________15___16___16 Reed,_Jojen______________13___13___13 Stokeworth,_Lollys_______33___34_____ Seaworth,_Stannis_________9____9___10 Seaworth,_Steffon_________6____6____6 Snow,_Larence____________12___13___13 Storm,_Edric__________________12___12 Stone,_Mya____________________19_____ Velaryon,_Monterys_____________6____6 Westerling,_Jeyne_____________16_____ Westerling,_Eleyna____________12___12 Westerling,_Rollam_____________9____9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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