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Ser Ryon Allyrion of Godsgrace - early 40s

Daemon Sand, the Bastard of Godsgrace - late teens/early 20s

Lady Larra Blackmont - 40s

Jynessa Blackmont - 20s

Ser Deziel Dalt of Lemonwood - 20s

Ser Andrey Dalt of Lemonwood - late teens

Ser Gerold Dayne of High Hermitage - late teens/early 20s

Lord Edric Dayne of Starfall - 12, he's with Beric in the Riverlands

Lord Tremond Gargalen of Salt Shore - 30s

Lord Trebor Jordayne of the Tor - 35-45

Lord Dagos Manwoody of Kingsgrave - 40s

Mors Manwoody of Kingsgrave - 20s

Lord Quentyn Qorgyle of Sandstone - 40s

Gulian Qorgyle of Sandstone - 20s

Ser Symon Santagar of Spottswood - 40s

Sylva Santagar of Spottswood - 21

Lady Nymella Toland of Ghost Hill - 30s

Lord Harmen Uller of Hellholt - 50s

Lord Anders Yronwood - 40s

Ser Cletus Yronwood - 20s

Lady Obara Sand - 26

Lady Nymeria Sand - 23

Lady Tyene Sand - 21

Lady Sarella Sand - 17, she's in Oldtown in AFFC, she may still be in Dorne in AGOT.

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No we cannnot name Generals for mercs. We can for the slave/rebel faction, however. We can have a moral-bosting general unit for mercs, like the general's bodyguard, but you cant hire a named character, AFAIK

So, should we add Vargo Hoat to the Lannister Generals and Salidor Saan to Stannis' Generals, or should they be generals for rebel factions?

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Re: Crownlands -

I thought Blount was younger... late 30's... but I could be wrong. That was just my impression.

Re: Hoat/Saan

I'd make them retinue members that are 'attached' to a non-replenishing mercenary hire. Once hired, the general that has the company in command gets that leader as retinue...

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Blount is described as balding with gray in his beard. I changed him from late 40s to just 40s. Originally, I thought he was the same age as Trant, but when I found Blount's description, I decided to make him older.

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Harma Dogshead - 30s

Tormund Giantsbane - 40s

Toregg - 20s

Dormund - 20s

Rattleshirt - 30s

Varamyr Sixskins - 30s

Mag the Mighty - 40s

Styr, the Magnar of Thenn - 35-45

The Weeper - 20s

Jarl - 20s

Alfyn Crowkiller - 20s

Orell - 20s

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Jeor Mormont - 68

Jon Snow - 15

Cotter Pyke - 40s - possibly an admiral

Ser Denys Mallister - 60s

Ser Jaremy Rykker - 35-45

Ser Alliser Thorne - 50

Qhorin Halfhand - 35-45

Ser Endrew Tarth - 40s

Thoren Smallwood - 25-35

Ser Mallador Locke - 30s

Jarmen Buckwell - 30s

Ser Ottyn Wythers - 50s

Ser Arnell - 20s

Donal Noye - 50s

Ser Aladale Wynch - 30s

Ser Glendon Hewitt - 30s

Benjen Stark? - late 20s

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Sleek work AJ. Only 2 factions left I suppose?

Mormont will linger dangerously close to the bucket every turn unless they change the aging/dying codes I think. Characters above 60 usually drop like flies...And I remember Benjen was already gone before Eddard lost his head? Probably add him in a future 'Others Invasion' expansion :P

On another note, it seems CA/Sega really mucked up this time with the 1.2 patch, so looks like we're in for another wait...Dunno whats the team's take on this, but from what I've heard the patch did solve several combat issues like the 2hand and shield bug. Not really counting on diplomacy improvement myself, I'm waiting for Ultimate AI to update for the patch.

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Ser Vardis Egen - 50s

Lord Bronze Yohn Royce - early 40s

Ser Andar Royce - early 20s

Lord Nestor Royce - 35-45

Ser Albar Royce - late teens/early 20s

Lord Lyonel Corbray - late 20s

Ser Lyn Corbray - 20s

Ser Morton Waynwood - 20s

Ser Donnell Waynwood - 20

Lord Horton Redfort - 40s

Jasper Redfort - 20s

Lord Benedar Belmore - 40s

Ser Marwyn Belmore - 25-35

Lord Eon Hunter - 60s

Gilwood Hunter - 40s

Lord Gerald Grafton - 40s

Gyles Grafton - 20s

Royce Coldwater - 30s

Lord Jon Lynderly - 40s

Terrance Lynderly - 20s

Lord Triston Sunderland - 30s

Ser Edmund Waxley - 30s

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Ser Stevron Frey - 60s

Ser Rymun Frey - 40s

Black Walder Frey - 20s

Ser Aenys Frey - 50s

Ser Leslyn Haigh - 40s

Ser Harys Haigh - 20s

Ser Walder Rivers - 40s

Martyn Rivers - 30s

Lord Jason Mallister - 40s

Ser Patrek Mallister - 20s

Lord Clement Piper - 40s

Ser Marq Piper - 20s

Lord William Mooton - 40s

Lord Tytos Blackwood - 40s

Lucas Blackwood - 20s

Lord Jonos Bracken - 40s

Lord Theomar Smallwood - 30s

Ser Robin Ryger - 50s

Lord Vance - 40s

Ser Karl Vance - 20s

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Great! Except, holy crap those are long lists. I think I said 10-15 would be sufficient, and I think I counted 26 for Dorne... I mean, nothing against your work, being thorough is great... but its a bit impractical, and it does create more work to implement that many...

So, if you would please edit those down, it'd be appreciated. Anyone who's never held a command or isn't of much political importance so we can get those numbers down.

Also, I saw somebody had asked. Yes we can name admirals, so if someone should rather be an admiral, that can be done.

Next step is finishing the unit rosters and corresponding units. After that, I believe Ancilliaries would be next? We'll have to see.

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I cut down the lists to 15 generals or less. I used a strikethough on those I eliminated, so you all can see who was cut. If anyone disagrees, let me know.

I also noted those who are more like admirals than generals.

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Looks good... though I'd keep Cotter Pyke as a General, rather than an Admiral... the Night's Watch doesn't have much of a navy... and he's manning a tower full of rangers and watchmen. If they went on a ranging, he'd likely lead them.

Also, Adequate Jon, can you copy the current lists into a single post for easier reference? Thanks!

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Janos Slynt - Commander of the Gold Cloaks (early) - 40s

Ser Jacelyn Bywater - Commander of the Gold Cloaks (later on) - 40s

Ser Osmund Kettleblack - mid-to-late 20s

Ser Osfryd Kettleblack - mid 20s

Ser Oswell Kettleblack - late teens/early 20s

Ser Aron Santagar - Master-At-Arms of the Red Keep - 45-55

Lord Gyles Rosby of Rosby - 50s

Lord Commander Barristan Selmy of the Kingsguard - 61

Ser Jaime Lannister of the Kingsguard - 32

Ser Boros Blount of the Kingsguard - 40s

Ser Arys Oakheart of the Kingsguard - 30s

Ser Preston Greenfield of the Kingsguard - 30s

Ser Mandon Moore of the Kingsguard - 35-45

Ser Meryn Trant of the Kingsguard - 30s

Ser Balon Swann later of the Kingsguard - 20s

Ser Davos Seaworth - 40s - admiral

Dale Seaworth - 20s - admiral

Ser Axell Florent - 50s

Lord Alester Florent - 50s

Ser Imry Florent - 30s - admiral

Lord Ardrian Celtigar - 30s

Lord Duram Bar Emmon - 14

Lord Monford Velaryon - 25-35

Aurane Waters - 22 - admiral

Lord Guncer Sunglass - 30s

Ser Andrew Estermont - early 20s

Ser Gerold Gower - 20s

Ser Triston of Tally Hill - 20s

Lord Chyttering - late 30s

Lucos Chyttering - 15

Ser Bryce Caron - late 30s

Ser Emmon Cuy - early 20s

Ser Guyard Morrigen - early 20s

Ser Parmen Crane - early 20s

Ser Robar Royce - 18-21

Ser Cortnay Penrose - 45-55

Ser "Red" Ronnet Connington - 20s

Ser Rolland Storm - late teens

Lord Estermont - 60s

Ser Eldon Estermont - 40s

Ser Lomas Estermont - 40s

Ser Aemon Estermont - 20s

Lord Lester Morrigen - 40s

Ser Donnel Swann - 20s

Ser Jon Wylde - 20s

Roose Bolton - 35-45

Greatjon Umber - late 30s

Smalljon Umber - 15-19

Maege Mormont - 40s

Rickard Karstark - 40s

Harrion Karstark - 20s

Wyllis Manderly - late 30s

Wendel Manderly - mid 30s

Halys Hornwood - 40s

Robett Glover - 25-35

Galbart Glover - 25-35 (younger than Robett)

Helman Tallhart - 30s

Leobald Tallhart - 30s

Rodrik Cassel - 50s

Medger Cerwyn - 40s

Lord Sawane Botley of Lordsport - 40s

Harren Botley - early 20s

Lord Dunstan Drumm of Old Wyk - 40s

Denys Drumm - 20s

Lord Gorold Goodbrother of Hammerhorn - 40s

Gormond Goodbrother - 20s

Lord Rodrik Harlaw of Harlaw - 40s

Lord Meldred Merlyn of Pebbleton - 40s

Lord Waldon Wynch of Iron Holt - 30s

Ralf Kenning of Harlaw - 30s

Jon Myre of Harlaw - 30s

Lord Gylbert Farwynd of Lonely Light - 40s

Gyles Farwynd of Lonely Light - 20s

Donnor Saltcliffe of Saltcliffe - 30s

The Sparr of Great Wyk - 50s

Steffarion Sparr - 30s

All of these could be considered admirals.

Ser Gregor Clegane - 32

Ser Amory Lorch - late 30s

Lord Roland Crakehall - 50s

Ser Lyle Crakehall - early 30s

Lord Damon Marbrand - 50s

Ser Addam Marbrand - early 30s

Lord Quenten Banefort - 40s

Lord Gawen Westerling - early 40s

Ser Ralph Spicer - 45-55

Ser Harys Swyft - 60s

Ser Steffon Swyft - 30s

Lord Andros Brax - 40s

Lord Lewys Lydden - 30s

Lord Leo Lefford - 40s

Ser Forley Prester - 40s

Ser Victor Tyrell - 40s

Ser Leo Tyrell - Son of Victor - 20s

Ser Baelor Hightower - 30s

Lord Paxter Redwyne - 40s

Lord Randyll Tarly - late 30s

Lord Mathis Rowan - early 50s

Ser Vortimer Crane - 30s

Ser Igon Vyrwel - 30s

Lord Orton Merryweather - 30s

Lord Humfrey Hewitt - 50s

Lord Martyn Mullendore - 30s

Lord Warryn Beesbury - 40s

Ser Bertram Beesbury - 20s

Lord Tommen Costayne - 40s

Ser Stevron Frey - 60s

Ser Rymun Frey - 40s

Black Walder Frey - 20s

Lord Jason Mallister - 40s

Ser Patrek Mallister - 20s

Lord Clement Piper - 40s

Ser Marq Piper - 20s

Lord William Mooton - 40s

Lord Tytos Blackwood - 40s

Lucas Blackwood - 20s

Lord Jonos Bracken - 40s

Lord Theomar Smallwood - 30s

Ser Robin Ryger - 50s

Lord Vance - 40s

Ser Karl Vance - 20s

Lord Bronze Yohn Royce - early 40s

Ser Andar Royce - early 20s

Lord Nestor Royce - 35-45

Ser Albar Royce - late teens/early 20s

Lord Lyonel Corbray - late 20s

Ser Lyn Corbray - 20s

Ser Morton Waynwood - 20s

Lord Horton Redfort - 40s

Lord Benedar Belmore - 40s

Ser Marwyn Belmore - 25-35

Gilwood Hunter - 40s

Lord Gerald Grafton - 40s

Lord Jon Lynderly - 40s

Lord Triston Sunderland - 30s

Ser Edmund Waxley - 30s

Ser Ryon Allyrion of Godsgrace - early 40s

Daemon Sand, the Bastard of Godsgrace - late teens/early 20s

Ser Deziel Dalt of Lemonwood - 20s

Ser Andrey Dalt of Lemonwood - late teens

Ser Gerold Dayne of High Hermitage - late teens/early 20s

Lord Tremond Gargalen of Salt Shore - 30s

Lord Trebor Jordayne of the Tor - 35-45

Lord Dagos Manwoody of Kingsgrave - 40s

Mors Manwoody of Kingsgrave - 20s

Lord Quentyn Qorgyle of Sandstone - 40s

Gulian Qorgyle of Sandstone - 20s

Ser Symon Santagar of Spottswood - 40s

Lord Harmen Uller of Hellholt - 50s

Lord Anders Yronwood - 40s

Ser Cletus Yronwood - 20s

Jeor Mormont - 68

Jon Snow - 15

Cotter Pyke - 40s

Ser Denys Mallister - 60s

Ser Jaremy Rykker - 35-45

Ser Alliser Thorne - 50

Qhorin Halfhand - 35-45

Ser Endrew Tarth - 40s

Thoren Smallwood - 25-35

Ser Mallador Locke - 30s

Jarmen Buckwell - 30s

Ser Ottyn Wythers - 60s (of an age with Mormont)

Donal Noye - 50s

Ser Aladale Wynch - 30s

Ser Glendon Hewitt - 30s

Harma Dogshead - 30s

Tormund Giantsbane - 40s

Toregg - 20s

Dormund - 20s

Rattleshirt - 30s

Varamyr Sixskins - 30s

Mag the Mighty - 40s

Styr, the Magnar of Thenn - 35-45

The Weeper - 20s

Jarl - 20s

Alfyn Crowkiller - 20s

Orell - 20s

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Nice Job looks good I'm going to buy M2:Tw just to play this but I have a question can I get a link or something to see the playable houses and will their be a download here once it's done to get the mod for the game??? Thank You.

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first of all: hello to all! i am new here. if my english is not the best please be kind - it is not my natural language.

but now on with the things i came here for:

Mormont will linger dangerously close to the bucket every turn unless they change the aging/dying codes I think. Characters above 60 usually drop like flies...

AFAIK the age limits can be altered in the data/descr_campaign_db.xml. there you find a section called family_tree around line 58. it should look something like this (i already changed several values for my own learning-to-mod):

   <family_tree>

	  <max_age uint="105"/>

	  <max_age_for_marriage_for_male uint="75"/>

	  <max_age_for_marriage_for_female uint="40"/>

	  <max_age_before_death uint="115"/>

	  <max_age_of_child uint="10"/>

	  <old_age uint="60"/>

	  <age_of_manhood uint="16"/>

	  <daughters_age_of_consent uint="16"/>

	  <daughters_retirement_age uint="40"/>

	  <age_difference_min int="-10"/>

	  <age_difference_max int="30"/>

	  <parent_to_child_min_age_diff uint="12"/>

	  <min_adoption_age uint="20"/>

	  <max_adoption_age uint="30"/>

	  <max_age_for_conception uint="50"/>

	  <age_of_manhood_close uint="14"/>

	  <max_number_of_children uint="10"/>

   </family_tree>

as you can see you can alter a lot of age related things. i had no time to test but i do not know why it should not work. ok, i confess that changing the max_number_of_children from 4 to 10 did not work but the other values still have to be tested. i think the key to the mormont-problem is the old_age value. setting it to 100 should save him for a few years ... but also all the other older characters so that e.g. hoster tully will also get older than 100.

and now something different: where can i apply for contributing to the mod? i started making my own asoiaf-mod but then i found this one. why not try to merge? i did some basic ui-modifications like making icons for the houses, loading-screens and so on. i also have a map but it is very very simple so it will not help you very much. Further i started customizing some of the strat_page textures (which is kind of hard for me as i am completely new to it). some of the stuff will have to be translated back to english because i use the german version but that is no problem.

so if help is appreciated please pm me!

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The current lead is Marcus.

I think it's faster if you just pm him than wait for him to see this though. We need all the help we can get...

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