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Jeor Mormont

Jon Snow

Cotter Pyke

Ser Denys Mallister

Benjen Stark?

Bowen Marsh?

Ser Jeremy Rykker

Ser Alliser Thorne

Othell Yarwyck

Qhorin Halfhand

Ser Endrew Tarth

Thoren Smallwood

Ser Arnell

Ser Mallador Locke

Jarmen Buckwell

Ser Ottyn Wythers

Ronnel Harclay

Donal Noye

Dywen?

Iron Emmett?

Ser Aladale Wynch

Ser Glendon Hewitt

Ser Wynton Stout?

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Ser Vardis Egen

Lord Bronze Yohn Royce

Ser Andar Royce

Lord Nestor Royce

Ser Albar Royce

Lord Lyonel Corbray

Ser Lyn Corbray

Ser Morton Waynwood

Ser Donnell Waynwood

Lord Horton Redfort

Jasper Redfort

Lord Benedar Belmore

Ser Marwyn Belmore

Lord Eon Hunter

Gilwood Hunter

Lord Gyles Grafton

Gerald Grafton

Royce Coldwater

Lord Jon Lynderly

Terrance Lynderly

Lord Triston Sunderland

Ser Edmund Waxley

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Ser Stevron Frey

Ser Rymun Frey

Black Walder Frey

Ser Walder Rivers

Lord Jason Mallister

Ser Patrek Mallister

Lord Clement Piper

Ser Marq Piper

Lord William Mooton

Ser Myles Mooton

Lord Tytos Blackwood

Lucas Blackwood

Lord Jonos Bracken

Ser Raymun Darry

Lord Theomar Smallwood

Ser Robin Ryger

Lord Vance

Ser Karl Vance*

*Ser Karl became Lord Vance after his father died at the Golden Tooth

If we need more, there are planty of Freys to add.

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Ser Stafford Lannister

Ser Daven Lannister

Ser Gregor Clegane

Ser Amory Lorch

Lord Roland Crakehall

Ser Lyle Crakehall

Lord Damon Marbrand

Ser Addam Marbrand

Lord Quenten Banefort

Lord Gawen Westerling

Ser Raynald Westerling

Ser Rudolf Spicer

Ser Harys Swyft

Ser Steffon Swyft

Lord Andros Brax

Ser Tytos Brax

Lord Lewys Lydden

Lord Leo Lefford

Ser Benedict Broom

Ser Forley Prester

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Lord Mace Tyrell

Ser Garlan Tyrell

Garth Tyrell

Ser Baelor Hightower

Lord Paxter Redwyne

Lord Randyll Tarly

Lord Mathis Rowan

Ser Vortimer Crane

Ser Igon Vyrwel

Lord Orton Merryweather

Lord Humfrey Hewitt

Lord Martyn Mullendore

Lord Warryn Beesbury

Ser Bertram Beesbury

Lord Tommen Costayne

Some Reach houses, like Fossoway and Florent, joined with Stannis after Renly was killed. I don't know if they should start out with Tyrell or Renly or Stannis.

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For the Lannisters, I'd take out Raff the Sweetling and substitute in Ser Rudolf Spicer...

As for the Reach, I don't know. I suppose they (as generals) should be included with Stannis... though their lands should be neutral/rebel factions in the Reach.

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I had Raff in there because he was in charge of the group escorting Ser Robin Ryger to the Wall. I guess that really sounds more like a captain than a general. I'll replace him with Rudy. :)

On the Reach question, it looks like none of the Fossoways were important enough to be generals for either Stannis or the Tyrells. The Florents, however, should definitely go with Stannis.

One more question on Stannis' generals: Should captains of ships be considered generals? I'm thinking specifically of Dale and Allard Seaworth and Aurane Waters.

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Brienne of Tarth

Ser Bryce Caron

Ser Emmon Cuy

Ser Guyard Morrigen

Ser Loros Tyrell

Ser Parmen Crane

Ser Robar Royce

Ser Cortnay Penrose

Ser "Red" Ronnet Connington

Ser Rolland Storm

Lord Estermont

Ser Eldon Estermont

Lord Lester Morrigen

Lord Gulian Swann

Ser Donnel Swann

Ser Gladden Wylde

Ser Jon Wylde

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Ser Davos Seaworth

Dale Seaworth

Allard Seaworth

Ser Axell Florent

Lord Alester Florent

Lord Ardrian Celtigar

Lord Duram Bar Emmon

Lord Monford Velaryon

Aurane Waters

Lord Guncer Sunglass

Ser Andrew Estermont

Ser Gerold Gower

Ser Triston of Tally Hill

Lewys the Fishwife

Again, I'm not sure about the ship captains, but there aren't many names to choose from here. The last four names are the ones who helped Davos get Edric Storm away from Dragonstone.

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I'm going to try to work on the ages of the generals. I've tried to narrow their ages down to 10-year intervals. These will be mostly guesses, so feel free to offer suggestions.

Roose Bolton - 35-45

Ramsay Snow - 18-25

Greatjon Umber - late 30s

Smalljon Umber - 15-19

Maege Mormont - 40s

Dacey Mormont - 15-19

Rickard Karstark - 40s

Harrion Karstark - 20s

Wyllis Manderly - late 30s

Wendel Manderly - mid 30s

Halys Hornwood - 40s

Robett Glover - 25-35

Galbart Glover - 25-35 (younger than Robett)

Helman Tallhart - 30s

Leobald Tallhart - 30s

Rodrik Cassel - 50s

Medger Cerwyn - 40s

I replaced Wyman Manderly with Wendel Manderly because Wyman is too fat to even sit a horse.

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Good work AJ...

Couple of comments:

- Ramsay Snow, I thought, was younger... mid-late teens.

- Same with Dacey Mormont... by her 20s she'd be a spinster; as she's still single, I'd make her younger.

- Greatjon Umber I would put in his late 30s

- Smalljon is still growing, and is thought to one day outgrow his father... so I'd put the Smalljon at mid-teens.

- I'd put the two Manderly's as straddling the 30-yr mark... the younger being late 20s, the older early 30s. That would put father Manderly in his 50s, about the right age to be asking after Lady Hornwood.

- Roose Bolton I'd place late 30s, early 40s...

The rest look right...

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Ser Stafford Lannister - 50s

Ser Daven Lannister - late 20s

Ser Gregor Clegane - 32

Ser Amory Lorch - late 30s

Lord Roland Crakehall - 50s

Ser Lyle Crakehall - early 30s

Lord Damon Marbrand - 50s

Ser Addam Marbrand - early 30s

Lord Quenten Banefort - 40s

Lord Gawen Westerling - early 40s

Ser Raynald Westerling - early 20s

Ser Ralph Spicer - 45-55

Ser Harys Swyft - 60s

Ser Steffon Swyft - 30s

Lord Andros Brax - 40s

Ser Tytos Brax - 20s

Lord Lewys Lydden - 30s

Lord Leo Lefford - 40s

Ser Benedict Broom - 40s

Ser Forley Prester - 40s

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- Ramsay Snow, I thought, was younger... mid-late teens.

I thought he was a little older than Theon. I'll narrow it down to 18-25.

- Same with Dacey Mormont... by her 20s she'd be a spinster; as she's still single, I'd make her younger.

- Greatjon Umber I would put in his late 30s

- Smalljon is still growing, and is thought to one day outgrow his father... so I'd put the Smalljon at mid-teens.

I can agree with this. I will make the changes.

- I'd put the two Manderly's as straddling the 30-yr mark... the younger being late 20s, the older early 30s. That would put father Manderly in his 50s, about the right age to be asking after Lady Hornwood.
Catlyn thinks that Wyman (father) is near 60. So, yes 45 is stretching it. However, both sons are described as "bald with a walrus mustache" at towerofthehand. I will narrow their ages to 35-40.

- Roose Bolton I'd place late 30s, early 40s...

I can accept that.

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Lannisters look good... though I'm not as familiar with them.

I'd narrow Lorch's age to late 30s, early 40s... My impression was that he was still rather young at the sack of King's Landing... so, early 20s. It's roughly 16yrs from the Sack to AGoT, so that'd put Ser Lorch in his late 30s.

Daven Lannister, Addam Marbrand, and Lyle Crakehall I'd put at the younger end (early 30s), with Daven perhaps being late 20s... Jaime Lannister is in his early/mid 30s as of AFfC, so I'm using him as a guidepost. Strongboar strikes me as Jaime's age, perhaps a couple years older. Marbrand is roughly the same age... and Daven is a bit younger.

As to the northern generals... sounds good. My only comment is that it's easily possible for the Manderly brothers to be bald well before their 40s... Wendel (the younger of the two?) I'd still go with an early 30s... the elder Wyllis could go late 30s...

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I'd narrow Lorch's age to late 30s, early 40s... My impression was that he was still rather young at the sack of King's Landing... so, early 20s. It's roughly 16yrs from the Sack to AGoT, so that'd put Ser Lorch in his late 30s.

Daven Lannister, Addam Marbrand, and Lyle Crakehall I'd put at the younger end (early 30s), with Daven perhaps being late 20s... Jaime Lannister is in his early/mid 30s as of AFfC, so I'm using him as a guidepost. Strongboar strikes me as Jaime's age, perhaps a couple years older. Marbrand is roughly the same age... and Daven is a bit younger.

I agree

As to the northern generals... sounds good. My only comment is that it's easily possible for the Manderly brothers to be bald well before their 40s... Wendel (the younger of the two?) I'd still go with an early 30s... the elder Wyllis could go late 30s...

It would be nice to get some more opinions on this. For now I'll say late 30s for Wyllis and mid 30s for Wendel. Tonight I'll reread the Cat chapter where the Manderly's escort her to Moat Cailin.

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*Lord Garth Tyrell - Uncle of Mace - 60s

Ser Victor Tyrell - 40s

Ser Leo Tyrell - Son of Victor - 20s

*Ser Luthor Tyrell - Cousin of Mace 50s

*Ser Theodore Tyrell - Son of Luthor - 30s

*Moryn Tyrell - Uncle of Mace - 60s

*Ser Quentin Tyrell - Cousin of Mace - 50s

*Ser Olymer Tyrell - Son of Quentin - 30s

Ser Baelor Hightower - 30s

Lord Paxter Redwyne - 40s

Lord Randyll Tarly - late 30s

Lord Mathis Rowan - early 50s

Ser Vortimer Crane - 30s

Ser Igon Vyrwel - 30s

Lord Orton Merryweather - 30s

Lord Humfrey Hewitt - 50s

Lord Martyn Mullendore - 30s

Lord Warryn Beesbury - 40s

Ser Bertram Beesbury - 20s

Lord Tommen Costayne - 40s

* denotes those who may be in the line of succession

I added a bunch of Tyrell relatives. Basically, I decided that Mace's uncles were in their 60s and his cousins were in their 50s because they both have grandchildren.

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Lookin' good...

My only concern with the Tyrells is that Mace's relatives are all in the succession, which means that they'd be in the family tree, and thus not 'generals' in the M2TW sense... no?

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I checked the Catlyn chapter, and she says that both Manderly's are older than her. So, mid to late 30s is plausible. I don't know about the question on Mace's relatives. I've never played M2TW, so someone else will have to answer that question. For now, I'll mark those who may be in the succession with an *.

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