Canon Claude Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 True, they both love other people, but Lysa would certainly see advantages in marrying the handsome heir to Casterly Rock. And maybe Jaime would have seen something in her beauty so that she wouldn’t have been plagued with so many issues as she was in the story. The only problem I’d see is that Hoster Tully wouldn’t dare side with the rebels if Tywin has his daughter in the Westerlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Canon Claude said: True, they both love other people, but Lysa would certainly see advantages in marrying the handsome heir to Casterly Rock. And maybe Jaime would have seen something in her beauty so that she wouldn’t have been plagued with so many issues as she was in the story. The only problem I’d see is that Hoster Tully wouldn’t dare side with the rebels if Tywin has his daughter in the Westerlands. I’ve wondered the same thing. Cersei would probably want Lysa dead. Putting Lysa and Littlefinger on opposite sides of the continent would shake things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmfn Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 In all liklihood, wedding Jaime and Lysa was the part of the plan to bring the bitter former HotK into the fold of powerful houses allied against the crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I feel like Jaime would mostly just ignore her, which would piss Lysa off turning her into the arms of Littlefinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Well... since back then, Lysa wasn't her older terrible self, it might not be so bad. It would largely depend on three things: 1) if Lysa managed to persuade the Lannisters to give LF an office or not. No office, no access to Lysa to keep her besotted. 2) if Cersei and Jaime were at the same location. Cersei in KL and Jaime in Casterly Rock would be highly beneficial. 3) if Lysa was able to carry Jaime's children to term. A bunch of healthy children would make her a totally different woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honorable men Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Well LF will be dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodorisfaclessman Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Lysa will still secretly see lf Jamie will still secretly see cersei....so probably quite well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Jamie would be a decent husband and at least do his duty and have children with her and even better then that show her respect, Lysa having healthy Lannister children changes everything and she probably is less bitter and far more sane. Also LF would def not be going to CR, and if LF tried to send her a raven and was intercepted LF would probably be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Maester Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 It would be a loveless marriage as I can't see Jamie showing Lysa any affection, as Lysa is quite dull and possibly naive, during her younger age. No doubt they'd have a couple children, at least 2 minimum, as Jamie proved how fertile he is with Cersei, and if they didn't have any children I can easily see Tywin pressuring Jamie to do his duty and fuck the wench. If a Jamie and Lysa betrothal happened, they wouldn't have been wed until the times surrounding Roberts Rebellion as Jamie was still 16 years old during the rebellion. It would be interesting to see if Tywin would remain Hand of the King because this means that Aerys wont name Jamie to the kingsguard due to the latter being betrothed/wed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Snyder Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Again, we see the 21st century assumption that these people had any real control over such things. Jaimie Lannister was a King's Guard from the age of 16. He was unavailable because of his vows, because his father, being alive was head of House Lannister and because as a King's Guard, he served at the pleasure of the King, both of who would have to give permission for any marriage. Lysa was the daughter of House Tully and would be married where her father deemed suitable. Certainly in Medieval Europe, betrothals were made even of unborn children. Until he joined the King's Guard at 16, Jaimie was the eldest son and heir to Casterly Rock and one of the wealthiest families in Westeros. Tywin would marry off Jaimie to the advantage of House Lannister. The second daughter of House Tully wasn't exactly the best political or social match. The other Houses with eligible daughters were the Tyrells of the Reach, the Starks of the North and (IRC from the books) Martels of Dorne. The best match, Elia Martell, had already been promised to Prince Rhaegar. The next best would have been Lyanna Stark, but we have no evidence of negotiations between Rickard and Tywin. Yes, negotiations. Marriages between Great Houses were major political and economic moves, alliances through marriage. And the female was expected to bring a dowry. Jaimie was Sir Arthur Dayne's squire and wanted to be a King's Guard. He could simply short-circuit any attempt at betrothal by having Dayne convince the King to appoint Jaimie as soon as possible. The King agreed because he was jealous of Tywin and this was a strike back at him, removing his most eligible heir. Hoster Tully had very little to offer for his second daughter. He was probably pleasantly surprised when Rickard offered Brandon for Caitlyn. But that may have been part of Rickard's plan. He marries into the Tullys and the Baratheons. He is BFFs with Jon Arryn. He now controls or has alliances with four of the nine major resource centers in Westeros. He probably expects that the enmity between Tywin and the King makes the Lannisters at least neutral. That means that the King can only rely on Dorne, which he has a marriage alliance with and maybe the Reach, depending on which way Lady Ohlena jumps. The River Lands and the Storm Lands isolate the Crown Lands and King's Landing. The Vale outflanks the Crown Lands and he has safe access through the River Lands from the Neck. He could now pressure the King into abdication or replace him, possibly with Robert Baratheon, who has Targaryan blood. Lyssa became a pawn in that she cemented the alliance of Rickard, Jon and Hoster. Rickard could have gone farther. He could have offered Edard to Tywin as a son-in-law to act as consort to Cersei until a grandson could be adopted in place of Jaimie. But the bottom line, until they became adults, the male members of a House remained under the control of the father. Even as adults, they remained under the orders of the head of the House. An unmarried daughter always remained under the hand of her father. That's how a feudal/tribal society worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Michael Snyder said: Again, we see the 21st century assumption that these people had any real control over such things. Jaimie Lannister was a King's Guard from the age of 16. He was unavailable because of his vows, because his father, being alive was head of House Lannister and because as a King's Guard, he served at the pleasure of the King, both of who would have to give permission for any marriage. Lysa was the daughter of House Tully and would be married where her father deemed suitable. Certainly in Medieval Europe, betrothals were made even of unborn children. Until he joined the King's Guard at 16, Jaimie was the eldest son and heir to Casterly Rock and one of the wealthiest families in Westeros. Tywin would marry off Jaimie to the advantage of House Lannister. The second daughter of House Tully wasn't exactly the best political or social match. The other Houses with eligible daughters were the Tyrells of the Reach, the Starks of the North and (IRC from the books) Martels of Dorne. The best match, Elia Martell, had already been promised to Prince Rhaegar. The next best would have been Lyanna Stark, but we have no evidence of negotiations between Rickard and Tywin. Yes, negotiations. Marriages between Great Houses were major political and economic moves, alliances through marriage. And the female was expected to bring a dowry. Jaimie was Sir Arthur Dayne's squire and wanted to be a King's Guard. He could simply short-circuit any attempt at betrothal by having Dayne convince the King to appoint Jaimie as soon as possible. The King agreed because he was jealous of Tywin and this was a strike back at him, removing his most eligible heir. Hoster Tully had very little to offer for his second daughter. He was probably pleasantly surprised when Rickard offered Brandon for Caitlyn. But that may have been part of Rickard's plan. He marries into the Tullys and the Baratheons. He is BFFs with Jon Arryn. He now controls or has alliances with four of the nine major resource centers in Westeros. He probably expects that the enmity between Tywin and the King makes the Lannisters at least neutral. That means that the King can only rely on Dorne, which he has a marriage alliance with and maybe the Reach, depending on which way Lady Ohlena jumps. The River Lands and the Storm Lands isolate the Crown Lands and King's Landing. The Vale outflanks the Crown Lands and he has safe access through the River Lands from the Neck. He could now pressure the King into abdication or replace him, possibly with Robert Baratheon, who has Targaryan blood. Lyssa became a pawn in that she cemented the alliance of Rickard, Jon and Hoster. Rickard could have gone farther. He could have offered Edard to Tywin as a son-in-law to act as consort to Cersei until a grandson could be adopted in place of Jaimie. But the bottom line, until they became adults, the male members of a House remained under the control of the father. Even as adults, they remained under the orders of the head of the House. An unmarried daughter always remained under the hand of her father. That's how a feudal/tribal society worked. Makes one wonder why Tywin wouldn’t push for other matches earlier, say Lyanna or Catelyn. Or were they betrothed early enough that they were taken off the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 22 hours ago, Canon Claude said: True, they both love other people, but Lysa would certainly see advantages in marrying the handsome heir to Casterly Rock. And maybe Jaime would have seen something in her beauty so that she wouldn’t have been plagued with so many issues as she was in the story. The only problem I’d see is that Hoster Tully wouldn’t dare side with the rebels if Tywin has his daughter in the Westerlands. Jaime is not into corpses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dorian Martell's son said: Jaime is not into corpses Not at this stage of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said: Not at this stage of the story. There was not timeline mentioned. Jaime lacks a hand and Lysa is in several pieces so that is what I went with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Hoster would have sided with anyone who can rescue Lysa from her indiscretion and bring high honor to his house. Hoster was a vain man. Which can be said of Tywin. Just not to his face. Jaime is not the kind who you can tell him what to do. He will do what he wants and if he doesn't fancy Lysa, there will be trouble. He might choke her during their engagement. The man has no sense of right and wrong. He follows his heart and that is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Lord of the Crossing said: Hoster would have sided with anyone who can rescue Lysa from her indiscretion and bring high honor to his house. Hoster was a vain man. Which can be said of Tywin. Just not to his face. Jaime is not the kind who you can tell him what to do. He will do what he wants and if he doesn't fancy Lysa, there will be trouble. He might choke her during their engagement. The man has no sense of right and wrong. He follows his heart and that is the problem. “The late Hoster Tully.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Just now, Angel Eyes said: “The late Hoster Tully.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, The Lord of the Crossing said: Well, Walder isn’t as mean to his kids as Hoster was to Lysa, or accidentally cause a civil war because he put a daughter where she shouldn’t be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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