Martell Spy Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 One of the interesting things to come out of all this, is it's pretty easy to get away with criminal acts as a rich person in America. For example, Manafort would never have been tried for anything if he had not worked for Trump. In fact, friends of Manafort's warned him that it was a bad idea and saw this coming. It's possible similar happened to the Congressmen who supported Trump who are now being indicted. And this is a good message to America's elites. Supporting Trump can lead to you being indicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: I think Mueller's strategy is to squeeze the blood from everyone around Trump until he begs for mercy. It's pretty effective, since nearly everyone around Trump is guilty of something. All his kids may even get swept up in this, assuming they have done something Mueller can catch them on. The report to Congress and recommendation for impeachment may come, but it may not be necessary if for example Trump agrees to resign in order to save one of his kids. I think it's more likely he will agree not to run in 2020. I would think for Mueller to put enough of a squeeze on Trump it will just about take until the 2020 primaries for the pressure to build up enough to make trump do something. Ramping up for the primaries is only slightly more than a year away. Though it's also possible Trump might pull out so late that the party has no choice but to anoint Pence as the candidate without running a primary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: One of the interesting things to come out of all this, is it's pretty easy to get away with criminal acts as a rich person in America. For example, Manafort would never have been tried for anything if he had not worked for Trump. In fact, friends of Manafort's warned him that it was a bad idea and saw this coming. It's possible similar happened to the Congressmen who supported Trump who are now being indicted. And this is a good message to America's elites. Supporting Trump can lead to you being indicted. Could be why the Kochs have always opposed Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: I think it's more likely he will agree not to run in 2020. I would think for Mueller to put enough of a squeeze on Trump it will just about take until the 2020 primaries for the pressure to build up enough to make trump do something. Ramping up for the primaries is only slightly more than a year away. Though it's also possible Trump might pull out so late that the party has no choice but to anoint Pence as the candidate without running a primary. That is quite possible. It depends on the timing though. If Don Jr. is indicted early enough or in 2020 after Trump has won reelection, Trump may well have to make a choice if to save his kid or not. And even if he still refuses this pressure, a second child may get indicted if Mueller has something on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: Could be why the Kochs have always opposed Trump. Well remember, Trump insulted the Koches during the Republican Presidential primary. The various Republican candidates were lining up to be displayed like whores before the Koches, to try to score their money. Trump was shrewd enough to make fun of it and called them puppets for doing this. Also, the Koch/Trump rivarly is a bit overblown, especially since the election. The Koch network made most staffing choices in the Trump Administration. Pence is very friendly with them. It turned out Trump was as big of a Koch puppet as anyone in the Republican party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Trump still calls Manafort a good man. So he admits he likes criminals. Also, he has nothing to say to reporters about Cohen. What, is Cohen not also a good man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: Trump still calls Manafort a good man. So he admits he likes criminals. Also, he has nothing to say to reporters about Cohen. What, is Cohen not also a good man? A good man doesn't confess to crimes in a way that alleges implicate someone you're meant to be loyal to in the same crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: Trump still calls Manafort a good man. So he admits he likes criminals. Also, he has nothing to say to reporters about Cohen. What, is Cohen not also a good man? Cohen flipped, Manafort held out. “Good”= good to Trump. Trump unleashed the hounds on Cohen in the media weeks ago when it became clear he would seek a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I wonder if all the bs with the Trump foundation will be enough for a family indictment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 All these various investigations and prosecutions and testimonies prove the orange nazi's right in the center o a vast web of corrupt, criminal, treasonous, colluding, conspiratorial nazis., bent on destroying the USA, on behalf of Russia. A deep Russian conspiracy state that has one goal and one goal only, to destroy the USA and put us all under its control. Lock 'em up! Lock him up! Lock them all up! Throw away the keys! Forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Paul Manafort Is Just A Tiny Part Of DC’s Lobbying Corruption And he’s not the only person Mueller’s investigation has impicated https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b75d040e4b0a5b1feb92453 Quote Rarely does this city, and the rest of the country, get a chance to relive each and every one of the four past decades of greed and avarice that birthed the multibillion-dollar influence industry all at once. But we’re getting the chance now. Thank Paul Manafort. The former Donald Trump campaign chairman was found guilty of eight charges related to tax evasion and money laundering in his just-completed first trial and will face a second one in September, for failing to register as a foreign agent for a Ukrainian political party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Poor Sebbie. He's so sad. ... only, I can't help but remember the chants of "Lock Her Up" and T shirts exclaiming "Trump The Bitch" or, more recently, Trump supporters expressing gratitude for the alleged Russian interference. Maybe before he starts concern trolling Democrats, Sebastian should start start there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Marketing the conservatism, along with gold, dietary supplements, get quick rich schemes, penis enhancement pills, Swedish penis pumps, etc. etc. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/opinion/partisanship-parasites-and-polarization.html Quote And lately I’ve been wondering if that’s what’s happening to America. How much of our political sickness is the result of a parasitic infection? What I have in mind specifically is an infestation of direct-marketing scams that exploit and reinforce political partisanship, largely on the right, basically to sell merchandise. Quote What set me on this trail initially was learning that Ben Shapiro, the Young Conservative Intellectual du jour, is using his talk-show presence to market dietary supplements: Oh yes, Ben Shapiro. Evdently he's a big favorite of the College Republicans, or as I'm might call them, the College Assholes, as allegedly he's the best young conservative mind since Paul Ryan, which of course ain't saying much. Quote And some of the most influential voices on the right haven’t just sold advertising space to purveyors of snake oil, they’ve gotten directly into the snake-oil business themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 17 hours ago, Martell Spy said: Yeah, he did this before. What he is doing is trying to avoid blame. I just wonder how many so called "principled conservatives" will rebuke Trump on this matter. Or do their views change, depending on who is president. Warning about rampant inflation being around the corner is more likely than now than it was say in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I guess some people haven't gotten the memo that Hillary lost the election and is out of politics. They are probably the sorts of people that would buy Swedish penis pumps. https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17766468/trump-rally-manafort-cohen-clinton-lock-her-up-west-virginia Quote Supporters of President Donald Trump attending his political rally in West Virginia on Tuesday chanted “lock her up” at the first mention of Hillary Clinton. That, to put it mildly, is incredibly rich with irony today. About three hours before the evening rally, Trump’s longtime fixer and personal lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to eight felony counts. That’s not all: A Virginia court convicted Trump’s former campaign chair Paul Manafort of eight felony counts, including tax fraud, bank fraud, and hiding a foreign bank account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Hey, so, it turns out that Trump’s tenure is less bringing down elite swamp monsters and more old fashioned bigotry and greed. I know, right? Who saw that coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Drain the swamp, give all the slimy swamp things cushy positions in the administration, rent out that swamp land to the highest bidder and watch the people cheer you on even as they choke on the miasma of unleashed swamp gasses intermingled with fumes of the industrial waste now filling the bog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Well, Collins is ready to be fooled again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen are going to prison. However, Hilary Clinton is not. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ahem, straightens shirt, I feel better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Triskjavikson said: Trump going down because he hires the worst people is one of the more delicious possibilities. I'm starting to grow more optimistic that Trump is not going to be able to crown himself emperor and we might actually be rid of him by 2020. So much damage on the courts already done though.... So much damage to the Supreme Court. The other Federal courts though, yeah Trump's been bad for them, but so far the damage is actually overblown. And if Democrats do take the Senate back in November (unlikely, but wave parties usually see all the toss-ups break their way), the long-term damage will be fairly minimal. Except for the Supreme Court of course. There's scary stats out there like that Trump has gotten 26 justices confirmed to Federal Appeals Courts so far, which is about 1 in 7 of all of them. And if you look at the actual justices some of them are truly terrible and scary, but only 10 of the 26 were actually party line votes. And 11 of the other 16 actually got over 60 votes, meaning it wasn't just the super vulnerable red-state Democrats voting in favor. Three of them remarkably even got over 90 votes in favor. The eight pending nominations are worse, probably only one of them could be considered a mainstream, bipartisan judge, but that's why the midterms are so important (and also why its been such a blessing that enough Republicans skipped DC despite McConnell cancelling the August recess that Democrats currently have the votes to block anything). Meanwhile, at the Federal District Court level, which Republicans haven't been focusing on as much, there are also only 26 justices that have been confirmed. Of them, 21 got at least 90 votes in the senate. The other 5 all got at least 79 votes, except one which got 69 votes. Not many partisans getting on the bench here yet. Obviously these numbers will get worse the longer Trump is in office and has a pliant Republican majority in the senate. But the point is, so far the long-term damage to the overall Federal court structure is definitely recoverable. Its the Supreme Court where things are potentially truly fucked, depending on how far Roberts will be willing to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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