Raja Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I know the nations league is fun, but man, I can't wait for the PL to come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 15 hours ago, Corvinus said: I was just reading about this new UEFA Nations League that started, and I wonder how people feel about it. Considering that it was designed to take the place of friendly matches on the yearly calendar, and provide a more organized and competitive format, are we supposed to care a lot about it, or not? Don't know if I'm supposed to care about it or not, but I don't care about it one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Premier League chairmen plan to push for a ban on clubs paying agents. Club executives believe that dual representation have become the norm because if clubs are asked to pay part of an agent’s fee then the player has less to pay and also pays less tax. According to one club chairman: “We don’t like the arrangements as agents are rarely helping the club so the representation agreement should reflect who they are representing. The dual-representation arrangements exist to effectively protect the player from the full cost of the agent representing him." HM Revenue & Customs is looking at dual-representation arrangements and will be able to demand that clubs and agents provide evidence of what has been done for each side. Premier League clubs paid £211m in agent fees last season (and £257m across the top 5 divisions in England). 79% of all player transactions last season (426 out of 541) involved dual representation. Moves to ban payments to agents by clubs were agreed in principle in June and a meeting of Premier League chairmen in London today is expected to reinforce the desire for this and other measures to be brought in. Other rules that the league chairmen want include: all agents working in England to have to pass an exam; a requirement for an agent working with English-based players to have a UK bank account; transactions with English clubs should go through that bank account; agents’ business arrangements should be more transparent, with any agents who operate in England preparing annual financial statements to submit to the FA; and players should pay an agent’s fees across the length of the player’s contract, rather than in a lump sum as soon as a transaction is completed. Clubs hope that this would stop agents trying to earn another payday by agitating for their player to move after a year or two of the contract. FIFA also has a task force looking into agent fees and favours imposing a 5% cap rather than an outright ban on clubs paying agent fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Lolll Raola pocketed 41 mil for one transfer wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Juve's president laid out the details of that transfer at the club's 2016 AGM. Majority of that money paid to Raiola was because he owned a percentage of Pogba's contract. Juve only received around €73m of the transfer fee + €5m in add-ons. The rest went to Raiola. I hope stricter regulations are placed on agents because they have been taking the piss for too long. FIFA need to get it done and I'm in favour of their proposed 5% cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, Consigliere said: Premier League chairmen plan to push for a ban on clubs paying agents. The article is behind a paywall so I'm posting the text (hope that's allowed): Reveal hidden contents Premier League chairmen will today push for a ban on clubs paying agents as an investigation by The Times reveals that four out of every five deals in the top flight last season involved the same agent being paid by player and club. The measure to insist that only players should pay agents is among a raft of new rules that the league wants imposed with the aim of reducing the power of intermediaries. Club executives believe that “dual representation” has become the norm because if clubs are asked to pay part of an agent’s fee then the player has less to pay and also pays less tax. It is understood that HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) is looking at dual-representation arrangements and will be able to demand that clubs and agents provide evidence of what has been done for each side. Premier League clubs paid agents £211 million last year, an increase of £37 million on the previous 12 months. There were 541 player transactions involving Premier League clubs last season — transfers, loans or new contracts — and at least 426 of these, 79 per cent, involved dual representation. Every single one of Manchester City’s 52 transactions involved dual representation, as did almost all of those deals that involved Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United. At least one deal involved “triple representation”, where one agent acted for the player, the buying club and the selling club. That situation also occurred in 2016 when Manchester United signed Paul Pogba for a then world-record fee of £89 million. Mino Raiola represented the buying club, United, the selling club, Juventus, and Pogba. He was paid by all three parties, earning £41 million from the transfer. Moves to ban payments to agents by clubs were agreed in principle in June and a meeting of Premier League chairmen in London today is expected to reinforce the desire for this and other measures to be brought in. Other rules that the league chairmen want include: all agents working in England to have to pass an exam; a requirement for an agent working with English-based players to have a UK bank account; transactions with English clubs should go through that bank account; agents’ business arrangements should be more transparent, with any agents who operate in England preparing annual financial statements to submit to the FA; and players should pay an agent’s fees across the length of the player’s contract, rather than in a lump sum as soon as a transaction is completed. Clubs hope that this would stop agents trying to earn another payday by agitating for their player to move after a year or two of the contract. The proposals were drawn up after a lengthy review of agents’ working practices by the Premier League, which has now passed them on to the FA to try to have them accepted as part of the rules. One possible delaying factor is that Fifa has also had a task force working on agents, and although it agrees with many of the league’s proposals, instead of a ban on clubs paying agents it favours imposing a cap on agents’ fees so that they can only receive a maximum of 5 per cent of any transaction. The Premier League and FA could, however, still have a twin-track approach to use even stronger rules than Fifa. One club chairman told The Times: “We don’t like the arrangements as agents are rarely helping the club so the representation agreement should reflect who they are representing. The dual-representation arrangements exist to effectively protect the player from the full cost of the agent representing him. “We have been told that HMRC are looking increasingly closely at dual-representation arrangements and that they have the right to ask for evidence of what has been done for each side.” An FA spokeswoman said: “The FA is talking to both the Premier League and Fifa and that will determine our future direction of travel.” Graphic showing 'Where agents made money' Graphic showing 'Agent fees paid by top-flight clubs last season' Last year Liverpool spent £26.8 million on agents, the most by any Premier League club, and Chelsea were second on £25.1 million, according to FA data based on transactions during the summer 2017 and January 2018 transfer windows. English clubs across the top five divisions spent a total of £257 million on agent fees, also an increase of £37 million on 2016-17. The chairmen’s meeting today will also have an update on clubs’ responses to the early closure of the transfer window. After the tightest of votes a year ago the Premier League decided to close the window before the start of the season rather than on August 31, the date across the rest of Europe. Some clubs, notably Manchester City and United, remain convinced that the early closure simply hands an advantage to their rivals on the continent. Supporters of the policy will be able to argue that no big-name player was sold by an English club during the two-week period in which they could not have been replaced. The chairmen will also be given an update on overseas TV rights sales — last month the league negotiated a new three-year deal for the Middle East with BeIN Sport, which resulted in a slight increase on the £400 million paid for the existing deal. This amounts to more than 10 per cent of the league’s entire overseas TV income. Total overseas TV income is expected to rise for the seasons between 2019-2022, a three-year period during which the revenue for domestic TV rights will fall by about £500 million. It is not allowed to post entire articles, behind paywalls or not, because that's a copyright/IP violation. Post selected quotes only, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, mormont said: It is not allowed to post entire articles, behind paywalls or not, because that's a copyright/IP violation. Post selected quotes only, please. Post edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 Reining in the agents is well overdue. And this is how to do it. It’s tough for clubs to walk away from individual deals over agent demands if they know another club will pay them. So better that all clubs band together and force a new regulation. Then there’s no fear that you have to play the game because everyone else is. It might be reasonable for agents to have a minority ownership in a player’s transfer value, like a sell-on clause for a prior club. That would have to be structured appropriately because the whole point here is that the player should pay their agent, not the club. So if there is a way for a player to forgo some salary in exchange for a % of their next transfer fee, then the player can pass along that % to their agent as a contingent fee rather than pay the agent upfront cash out of pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 Tough game for Liverpool away to Spurs on Saturday. They’ve been a tough match-up for us in recent years, we tend to do poorly in early kick-offs under Klopp, and of course the international games means that most players are returning late with no time to train together. Firmino, Mane, Salah, Keita, Fabinho and Alisson all have long distance travel back, and it seems like all of our first team, other than Milner (retired), were in action for their national sides. There was some relief with many international managers rotating their teams over the two games, but it still sets up a weekend of disjointed, fatigued football. Spurs may be missing Alli but Son returns and Lamela is fit and ready to step in. Alli hasn’t been at his sharpest anyway but his pressing did help their CM while Wanyama was out. I don’t know if he’s ready yet to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Iskaral Pust said: Spurs may be missing Alli but Son returns and Lamela is fit and ready to step in. Alli hasn’t been at his sharpest anyway but his pressing did help their CM while Wanyama was out. I don’t know if he’s ready yet to return. I thought Alli was out for that match, and Son will probably be as tired as Liverpool's Brazilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 2 hours ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: I thought Alli was out for that match, and Son will probably be as tired as Liverpool's Brazilians. Yeah, I think Lamela gets the nod if Alli is out. He has done well as a sub and will be fresher. Winks is in contention too after sub appearances and no international games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Firmino will be fine. Not been at his best but still been influential enough. Agree Hendo > Wijnaldum but honestly I’m jonesing to see some Fabinho ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Wijnaldum scores away from home? Can't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Soylent Brown said: Firmino's already looking miles better than he was in the Leicester game. Shame Salah has his worst half in a while, but hell a Gini away goal balances that out. First ever in the prem for him I agree Firmino was great but Alderweireld has kept up with him quite well. Glad United didn’t get him. i love Andy Robertson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Not great keeping from Vorm for the goal. He didn’t get down very quickly for the disallowed Firmino one either. Hopefully they will bring Gazzaniga in if Lloris isn’t back for the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Spurs have been very sloppy. Constant unforced errors getting them into trouble and one of them resulting in the corner which led to the goal. Eriksen has not had a good 1st half - numerous overhit passes and general sloppiness. Liverpool have been much more slick in the attacking third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Vorm was pretty poor on the second goal as well. He should be gathering up the rebound. Poor goalkeeping performance. Spurs need Lloris back asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Bloody hell, we should have won that by about 4 goals. That was a nervy last couple of minutes. Still, that’s not a great look for Spurs. Mane and Salah both had poor games and they’ve still lost pretty comfortably at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Mane fortunate not to concede a penalty on Son right at the end there. Liverpool were well worth the win though. Should have scored four or five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Nobody complains about Alisson conceding one goal from three shots on target? :) Anyway, 'pool got lucky with the timing of that match - with Spurs playing without Lloris and Alli and with Son just being back from the Asia games. Even die hard scousers have to admit, those are some really good players Spurs were missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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