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Joffrey Baratheon vs Tommen Baratheon

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Joff Pros: determined, stern. Cons: Evil, and a coward when it's tight. He fold tail at Blackwater.

Tommen Pros: Young, listens to others' counsel. Bronn got him right. Cons: His pros can be turned against him. He must start reading what he is signing and show personality. Otherwise he will be considered weak.  

Edited by The Sunland Lord

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Joffrey

Pros:

  • Strong-willed
  • Confident
  • Handsome

Cons:

  • Poor listening skills
  • Sociopath
  • Sadist
  • Unyielding in the face of reason
  • Sense of entitlement
  • Coward
  • Inspires no loyalty
  • Doesn't really care about day-to-day governance
  • Easy to manipulate

Tommen

Pros:

  • Polite & respectful
  • Eager
  • Kind-hearted

Cons:

  • Weak-willed
  • Immature
  • Over-eager (eg. signs everything)
  • Soft-hearted
  • Coward (unclear from text but likely)
  • Easy to manipulate
  • Pushover

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On 8/28/2018 at 8:38 PM, Ellard Stark said:

deep deep inside her.

Hey, they are kids only.

 

On 8/28/2018 at 8:55 PM, The Sunland Lord said:

He fold tail at Blackwater.

His mother sent people to take him away.

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3 hours ago, The Sunland Lord said:

Yeah well he didn't try too hard to stay. He was the king, could've used his authority to send them back.

If I'm a guardsman, and Cersei tells me to get her son out of harms way, I'm not returning without him.

 

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5 minutes ago, Shouldve Taken The Black said:

If I'm a guardsman, and Cersei tells me to get her son out of harms way, I'm not returning without him.

 

That might be, but Joffrey's courage is in question. Do you think Robert, Robb Stark or Tywin would've come back to their mums in the middle of battle?

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11 minutes ago, The Sunland Lord said:

That might be, but Joffrey's courage is in question. Do you think Robert, Robb Stark or Tywin would've come back to their mums in the middle of battle?

If guards took them by force, they would

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23 minutes ago, The Sunland Lord said:

That might be, but Joffrey's courage is in question. Do you think Robert, Robb Stark or Tywin would've come back to their mums in the middle of battle?

Probably not, but many thirteen year olds would.

Joffery is obviously a monster, but I don't really think he's a coward in that sense.

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1 hour ago, Shouldve Taken The Black said:

Probably not, but many thirteen year olds would.

Joffery is obviously a monster, but I don't really think he's a coward in that sense.

Many people in Westeros proved themselves in fighting at young age.

Jaime, Tywin, Blackfish, Steffon, Barristan, etc.

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54 minutes ago, The Sunland Lord said:

Many people in Westeros proved themselves in fighting at young age.

Jaime, Tywin, Blackfish, Steffon, Barristan, etc.

Tywin was a teenager, but he was certainly older than 13 when he fought in the Nine Penny wars, likely 17. 

Steffon was 14/15 when he squired in the Nine Penny wars, there is no indication of how much battle he actually saw.

The Blackfish around 15, but like Jaime and Barristan, he is an elite case rather than the norm. The three of them are regarded as exceptional knights, Joffrey not being on their level does not indicate cowardice.

Joffrey was not just a 13 year old in a war but a the central target, the enemy were not going to stop until they were defeated or he was dead. 

 

2 hours ago, Ralphis Baratheon said:

If your a cat or kitten and your living in Maegor's holdfast you definitely want to be living under Tommen's rule and not Joffrey's.

oh sure Cats are cute but that monster Tommen wanted to outlaw Beets.

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Joff gets far better meme action on the interwebs. A Google of 'Joffrey and Draco' is a laugh riot.

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19 hours ago, Bernie Mac said:

oh sure Cats are cute but that monster Tommen wanted to outlaw Beets.

No one is perfect. But for all we know Cersei and/or Tommen's other handlers are serving him an unreasonable amount of beets that no normal man, woman or child could handle eating. 

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